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[–] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you can be [openly] gay and own a major corporation, which necessarily moves you rightward.

Exactly. And you can be openly gay and a white supremacist, and you can be openly gay and pro-gun, you can be openly gay and a Christian nationalist.

You can be an openly gay, white supremacist, pro-gun, Christian nationalist. You could have 99.99% republican values, but spend your weekends furthering LGBTQ rights. The class structures that subsume indenty aren't as stringent as you present them to be.

Like without even looking it up I bet there are trans Republican groups, do you disagree?

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah of course. no one is saying class traitors don't exist. but it's on them to prove it. Engels himself was one such person.

[–] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dudette.. your perception and whether or not it's accurate is entirely on you.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

being a class traitor requires action. it's not something that exists in the mind. I can't take action on someone else's behalf.

[–] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you know what actions they've taken?

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they wrote about them extensively

[–] CorruptBuddha@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you talking about them detailing how they act as a landlord?

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said they've extensively detailed their actions... Where?

You should be able to follow what I'm saying by the context of the conversation.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Generally you would not expect a gay Republican to be very proactive in furthering gay rights (Dems don't either most of the time, but w/e). They would spend their time role-playing as "one of the good ones" and get accused of being a subversive is they actually collaborated with queer groups that were anything but "Gays for Trump" type PR campaigns.

This is not just hypothetical, we can see many people of different minority identities who support horrible reaction and only use that identity as a shield from left criticism. Milo Yianopolos (forgot the spelling) publically gave lectures on how lesbians "don't exist" and "need a good d***ing" and defended pedophilia, but never seemed that interested in actually furthering rights even for relations between gay men. Candace Owens famously defended Hitler's domestic policy in public and speaks on black issues mainly to launder conservative talking points using her identity.

Generally

I've kind of figured out how you guys function. Thank you for the conversation.