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[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Although this is sadly kind of true. In major metro areas commuting distances if you want an affordable apartment are often way too high for cycling. Although cycling to a commuter bus/train isn't out of the question!

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wait I misread the tweet. It's silly to think of office drones as the elite anyway. Where I live you'd need at least a second paycheck for a decent lifestyle with a lot of office jobs. I remember being surprised that most of the office workers had 40+ min train commutes when I had my first "real" job in 00s and the city and surroundings has only gotten less affordable.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

While there is some percentage of people so desperate they literally don't have any choice about where they can live, that doesn't describe most workers at least in developed countries. For a given rent, most workers have a choice to have more space at the expense of living in the suburbs and having a long commute, or less space and living closer to/within the urban core, such that you can get around on a bike if you want.

The latter aren't elite, they just make different choices.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

There's also the phenomenon of disregarding car costs in choice of location due to lack of imagination about not needing one car per person

I know quite a few non poor people who moved to the suburbs or exurbs because they "couldn't" afford a single family home in cycling distance, then pretty much immediatly spend 60k on new cars because they need them to be reliable and then burn through like 300€ / month in operating cost for the commute alone at which point they would've had enough budget to level out the price difference.

They're mostly cool people, but a few of them definitely turned into carbrained I am the disadvantaged working class, those damn 2br apartment elite city slickers people