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Is the bottom the full name for Nazi? What’s AFD? Sorry if I’m out of the loop
Nazi party's official name: NSDAP- Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei- National Socialist German Workers' Party (They weren't actually socialist, it's just the name they chose)
AfD: Alternative für Deutschland- Alternative for Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany
Excerpt from Wikipedia:
Basically, they meet the requirements (or so I've heard, but correct me if I'm wrong) to be banned as an extremist party, like how the Nazi party was banned.
Technically, they were, at least to some degree until the Night of the long Knifes during which all left-leaning SA Leaders were purged.
Yeah, to claim that people like Ernst Roehm weren't socialist is revisionist, to put it mildly. Dude was anticapitalist and wanted to nationalize most industries.
There is nationalization, and there is nationalization.
Mussolini/Gentile stated that the goal of fascism was the merger of the state with the corporation, eg their economic theory of corporatism.
Or, to put it another way, "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State."
The Soviet Union's obsession with nationalization as the means of socialism was one of the many reasons other leftist thinkers coined the term "red fascism" to describe them.
What, after all, is the functional difference between a state taking 70% of your productivity and a capitalist splitting that 70% with a statist?
(Well, hopefully it's infrastructure and social benefits, including a army strong enough to defend yourself from all the real fascists, but power and weak oversight corrupts)
Very helpful!
Fascists aren’t socialists. Jesus Christ. Rohm wanted social safety nets, he didn’t want the workers to control the means of production, he wanted a corporate state - because he was a fascist, not a socialist.
You’re confusing the left wing of a fascist party with the left wing.
On what planet does "socialism" refer exclusively to worker-owned means of production? That's communism. Nobody uses socialism that way unless they're manipulating wording to fit an agenda.
this planet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
it's always amazing when people like you are SO CONFIDENTLY INCORRECT about basic information that can easily be determined with a simple search.
I have to break it to you, but that just as well describes state-owned companies. It has nothing at all to do with worker ownership. Your own definition makes Roehm a socialist lmao
moron. learn what private property means. fascism is not state ownership of corporations, it's corporate ownership of the state, a very different dialectic.
Name-calling now? Keep eating those muffins buddy. It's OK to admit you're wrong once in a while.
Edit: directly from the horse's mouth!
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3vdkls/comment/cxn4p61/
fuck off nazi lover. make like your heroes and fucking die.
I hope you can get the help you need, friend. BTW see my edit to my previous post.
kill yourself. saves us the trouble of having to do it eventually.
Is there a book I can read? I've fallen for this oversimplification, yet knowing about the night of the long knives, and incorrectly underatood this bit of history.
Sorry, it's been ages since I read up on WWII in general, and I don't have a specific recommendation for you. Roehm wrote a memoir but I think it's Mein Kampf-esque) rambling and incoherent). Mind you, from the mid 30s onward the Nazis were not especially socialist, so people aren't necessarily wrong when they point out the "socialist" is a misnomer.
It's not revisionist. Most people see the atrocities committed by the Nazis, and then say "yeah that shit isn't socialist". It's a historical blind spot most people have about post-Weimar Germany.
It also helps that the socialist wing of the party was wiped out (literally) before the party became, er, internationally famous. If nobody had heard of the USSR until Stalin's purges, they might have said they weren't socialist either.
Also, the "left" wing of the party were still fucking unhinged.
How does that name get shortened to "nazi"?
From Wikipedia:
They called themselves "national socialists". They were not socialists.
AfD is a current right-wing party in Germany.
The Nazi party's name was the German National Socialist Workers' Party (National Sozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiter Partei)
And to be clear: the first nazi camps were built to hold any communists or socialists they didn’t already execute.
Nazis hated Marxists. More than any other group.
And to be even clearer: the only reason why they chose this name was to appeal to common people and workers, the biggest part of the electorate. And it worked.
One example of their bullshit: They promised an end to unemployment and they did manage to get millions back into a job! How, you ask? Why, by making them build public sector projects like the Autobahn in MANUAL LABOR. While back then obviously very good machines already existed. But they'd need 1 operator and not 10 "hard-working, strong Aryan men with shovels and pickaxes".
Of course, most of the public infrastructure projects didn't benefit the public. It benefitted Hitler's war machine a few years later. Can't roll your Panzers over dirt roads.
Source: I have the misfortune of choosing history as my academic path....
Alternative for Germany, a far-right political party in modern Germany. They are currently getting 15-20% of the vote.