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Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

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[–] mycroft@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

For a 200 year old law, it's pretty straight forward. And for all it's flaws, the Nth revolution didn't like the Catholic church for ... reasons, so they wanted to make a law to get them out of politics and make them liable for their shenanigans. Thankfully they didn't discriminate when they wrote the law.

https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/contenu/piece-jointe/2017/02/libertes_et_interdits_eng.pdf

  1. PROHIBITIONS AND LIMITS TO INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS IN THE FRAMEWORK OF “LAÏCITÉ”

 The principle of secularism means that the State and religious organisations are separate. There is therefore no state-run public worship. The State neither recognises, nor subsidises, nor salaries any form of worship. Exceptions and adjustments to the ban on funding are defined in the legislation and case-law; they concern in particular chaplaincies, which are paid for by the State1

 No religion can impose its prescriptions on the Republic. No religious principle can be invoked for disobeying the law.

[–] TGhost@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Laîcite is the right for each, to practice his/her religion, without the state interfering, if not against laws and in the respect concerning other peoples. Without being prosecuted for this..

They now change the word to be against Muslims in France. Because "laicite" is always use against them.

Novlangue.

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Abayas are not religious dress nor a symbol of a religion, and the law does not speak to individual choices about wearing religious symbols anyway. This is no different to banning 'Black' hairstyles or imposing sexist dress codes. It's racism, not secularism.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

if the state doesnt recognise any form of worship, why are they seemingly banning perceived symbols of worship? how does any of the law you quoted justify banning folks from even wearing perceived religious symbols?

unless this isnt a religious symbol anyway, in which case the above law is even less relevant and this is a blatant case of cultural discrimination

[–] bouh@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except banning anything at school is the opposite of what's written here: the Republic forbid wearing some dress because it's wrongly associated with religion.

The government is turning atheism into an oppressive religion.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol sorry but could only laugh on "turning atheism into oppressive religion"..

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Says the guy with the randomly generated username from random.org

People woth randomised usernames are usually trolls or bad faith accounts because they want to make it harder for their accounts to be found by using randomised usernames

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I understand you lack arguments, but wow