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That's not a troll, CSAM goes well beyond trolling, pedophile would be a more accurate term for them.
Yeah. A troll might post something like a ton of oversized images of pig buttholes. Who the fuck even has access to CSAM to post? That's something you only have on hand if you're a predator already. Nor is it something you can shrug off like "lol I was only trolling". It's a crime that will send you to jail for years. It's a major crime that gets entire police units dedicated to it. It's a huuuuge deal and I cannot even fathom what kind of person would risk years in prison to sabotage an internet forum.
My thoughts exactly, like if they were just spamming goatsee or something, that would be one thing....
But this raises several questions, and they can only have grimdark answers.
Dont forget they are doing this to harm others, they deserve the name "e-terrorist" or simmlar. hey are still absolutely pedophiles. Their bombing out a space, not trying to set up shop.
I would definately agree that this would very likely count as cyber terrorism, and if it doesn't it should.
It's one thing to like something, it's another to force it onto others. I'd say "troll" is the stronger word in this case.
Simply having it to post makes you culpable. It's way beyond trolling.
So... LW has it now, the mods have it, everyone who saw it has it... that's a lot of culpable people.
Are you promoting the acceptance of pedophilia? Cuz that's what it sounds like and maybe they should start looking at your account first.
What he's saying is FBI CHECK THAT GUY'S HARD DRIVE!
And I think we all agree with that.
I had no idea how right I was at the time I commented that, since I hadn't scrolled far back enough in his comment history but yeah, way more right than I would've liked 😬
Here, buy your pitchforks! --E --E --E
FBI doesn't use pitchforks bud, they have tasers and guns.
No, brainless mobs do. Gotta know your clients.
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What, because I think the "possession" laws are stupid? Maybe I'm promoting the acceptance of marihuana... or maybe I understand how digital data and caches work.
(look at my account all you wish, Lemmy is public, there are no secrets)
Do you know why we have possession laws against CSAM in the first place? It's because people buy and sell abuse material in underground markets, it's another way they profit off the abuse of children. This is nothing like drug possession laws (which are stupid) because the product is literally a direct product of the abuse of children that many of the people in possession likely helped the criminals in order to obtain it (either directly or by paying them for it).
So yes in this case it does make sense to criminally charge people for possession of something like this considering the direct connection CSAM has to child trafficking and child sexual abuse and when you defend it by going against possession laws it makes it seem like you support these criminals.
Newsflash: drugs are not digital, can't get drugs in your cache by scrolling through Lemmy.
Defending drug smuggling? FBI CHECK THAT GUY'S CAR, HOUSE, AND DO A CAVITY SEARCH
Drugs kill people; they kill users, are produced, processed, and smuggled by abusing vulnerable people, every year mules die because of an involuntary overdose when the packets they swallow burst open, then get butchered live to get the drugs out instead of going to a hospital. Drugs get used to chemically subdue victims, gang rape them, record it, post the videos... even produce CSAM!
Oh boy do we have a very hot take here don't we, lmao this guy just tried to compare someone smoking a joint, doing shrooms, or even cocaine to the act of sexually abusing a child and trying to sell the pictures.
Don't even bother engaging with this guy, he's clearly a troll mindlessly parroting other people's arguments, report, block, move on.
You forgot: fentanyl.
https://www.google.com/search?q=fentanyl+crisis
Oh by the way, MAP stuff really doesn't look good on you (that's in your comment history). Yeah maybe you think I'm a terrible person because I think drugs should be treated less harshly but you have literally said in other comments that Pedophiles should be allowed to get off on what turns them on (which I remind you is exploitation of Minors). That is a very different stance than people shouldn't be beaten and arrested for snorting coke, you're literally advocating for people to be allowed to produce and consume abuse material and claiming that it's acceptable for people to be pedophiles, and pursue their attractions instead of getting help. I don't know how you don't see what is wrong with that. Like seriously this is either really bad trolling (way too far) or, you're one of them.
I think I now know which one it is if that statement from the horse's mouth is to be believed...
A lot of stuff the government bans doesnt align with morrality. In this instance it fucken does
Yes getting someone to drop this on your hard drive even if its explicitly labeled "cache" is equivilant to evidence planting. It puts you in danger of our laws falsely finding you guilty (misunderstandings are a thing, i dont know the level of risk). The advice by our governments is "delete it emedately". Follow it as completely as you can. Most devices dont broadcast your harddrive contents without warning, giving you time to delete it. For this being false for iphones, Its a risk to ones personal freedom to go on lemmy on an iphone until we can get this CSAM issue resolved.
Yes, its a virus, the FBI will target anyone who is a host. anyone Who has it on their drive, (edit: intent may be relivant, im no expert). The only way to stay safe is to rid yourself of it. Delete it.
Lemmy mods, keep yourself safe
please dont use an iphone to moderate, if your on linux (i think windows too) use bleachbit on your browser cache and do the "vaccuum" operation.On android
to clear cache or better written instructions here
To manually vaccum, vant find better instructions
clear
and hit enter,Your phone and the program
cat
will complain About being out of storage, ifrm
gets run, it will be fixed again. If it still complains or termux crashes, uninstall and reinstall termux, the vaccum process is finishedSome people know at a glance wether these steps are safe or not, others do not. never follow instructions you dont understand, verify that i havent led you do somthing dumb.
I'd say the proper word is 'criminal.'
A person who is attracted to children is an evil and disgusting person, someone being a pedophile isn't just "liking something", they are a monster.
People spreading CSAM are beyond terrible, but I don't agree with this generalization. Pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles, so as long as they control themselves and avoid harming anyone, I don't like labelling them as evil monsters.
Okay, fair enough. I wasn't considering those people since they'll never really be labelled pedophiles due to hiding their mental illness from the world (only really disclosing it to mental health professionals if ever) and never acting on it. It's the actions committed or fantasies endorsed that differentiate someone from merely being mentally ill or a monster.
Disclaimer: Would like to say, it is valid for me or anyone else to say pedophiles are mentally ill but it is not valid to say that gay people are mentally ill, homosexuality is a legitimate sexual orientation because people pursuing homosexual attractions with other consenting adults does not harm others, (this is not debatable and I WILL report any homophobic arguments I see popping up as a result here) however pedophilia is not like this at all because anyone who pursues it will cause harm because children cannot consent and therefore these interactions are harmful to them and anyone involved, which is why it is a mental illness (again this is also not debatable, anything that causes harm to others by acting on it is not a valid orientation but a mental illness, same thing goes for rapists).
I guess this is also the difference between getting caught or not. To me, rapist that is never caught is still a rapist even if they are never labelled as such, so a pedophile that hides it forever successfully is still a pedophile.
Yes agreed.
Agreed. If they did it but hid it and never were publicly labeled as a pedophile they are still a pedophile because of their actions and intentions, even if they were never caught and/or cancelled/convicted for it.
Wait, are you talking about pedos, gays, witches, or Jews? It's hard to tell, when people keep using the same argument over and over, y'know.
This is a serious problem we are discussing, please don't use this as an opportunity to inject bad-faith arguments.
Edit: Wow your post history is a lot of the same garbage, there is no point in attempting to reason with you, you seem to be defending the act of CSAM or just trolling (really awful and severe trolling I might add, CSAM isn't something to joke or troll about).
💯 Totally agree.
Let's discuss the problem: a Lemmy community got abused by a ~~evil~~ ~~disgusting~~ person ~~monster~~. How can moderation be improved, without hiring sub-minimum wage people in the 3rd world to do the "hotdog vs. not-hotdog" filtering, or harming a community that's literally about shitposting?
Well, you had your chance, apparently you're more interested in trolling.
Ah I see what's going on, you're salty that they closed the shitposting community so you're trolling here, going so far as to compare gays and jews to pedophillia (which is extremely bigoted and incorrect) or downplay the horrific acts that led to the closing of that community and registrations to protect the rest of the Instance's well being.
Also I'd appreciate it if you didn't edit what I said when quoting me, thanks.
Amazing, you think that being against pedophiles makes someone a bigot, do you think the same applies to being against Nazis as well? Paradox of tolerance much?
There's a very clear difference between the arguments you cited and pedophilia, which is that pedophilia causes physical and psychological harm to the child who is the victim and also is extremely psychologically harmful to the people who witness such event or the abuse material from it. I don't think you realize how severe this is or you wouldn't be trying to defend such heinous acts right now.
YOU used the same fucking argument.
Defending a bigoted argument makes you a bigot, no matter what you put in the blanks.
Precisely, you don't realize how severe this is. People have died... no, scratch that, people keep dying because of bigots rehashing the same arguments.
You don't care about children or people, you only care about finding an excuse to spew bigoted shit.
(and the proof lies in declining to address the problem at hand, I was wondering if you were going to completely gloss over it... bra-vo, thanks for proving my point)
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Nothing you say matters, because you're defending pedophiles. Whoops.
I'm not defending pedophiles, I'm attacking bigots. And now you're blocked, "whoops".
Lol you do realize blocking on Lemmy means to ignore them, it's not going to silence them or more critically prevent them from downvoting or reporting you like it does on Reddit.
You're just going to stop seeing them, they can keep calling you out for it. You just made it easier for them.
Oh no. Anyways...