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~~you have my updoot~~
I jest. Ultimately without some sort of mechanic that disincentivizes noisy, low-effort joke comments there's not going to be some sort of magical cultural shift. I'm just arriving, but from what I'm seeing Lemmy doesn't have any sort of design that will skew comments towards actual discussion and away from jokes/noise in any meaningful way.
The way it is right now, we don't have total "karma", which I imagine helps to at least suppress the purely karma-farming spam. That said, there's no real reason to think it won't be added here eventually.
I hope it doesn’t, better without karma, it shouldn’t be competitive really
Never really got the point of Karma to begin with. All it really does is measure how well you match the tone of any particular echo chamber.
If I recall, a minimum karma was used by some mod bots as a gatekeep of sorts on more official subreddits. But even then I don't think it was more than to deter very new accounts.
Deterring very new accounts is still a useful thing to do.
A lot of posts on my country's COVID sub were removed by the bot with an account too new message, and it was only set to about one week. It doesn't really slow down new users but it cuts off a lot of spam bots.
Although lately on reddit I've been seeing a lot of repost bots, and it seems their strategy as of late is to make a whole bunch of accounts at once, then sit on them for a few months before they start using them for doing their spamming/reposting. So the minimum account age was easily being circumvented.
that's really smart -- but at the same time i'm horribly curious
I wonder if this will come down to client apps (though “native” instance-level integration would be nice).
Mlem currently has keyword filters but it would be nice to filter comments out that equal a filter.
For example, I can’t stand comments that just say “this” so in theory I would set a filter for any comment that’s just equal to “this” right? But then I’d be filtering out quite a lot of “valid” comments.
But you could filter out comments containing only "this" or variations with exclamations points and such
I am still learning Lemmy, but I agree with you from what I am seeing. There is no “karma farming” here right? So the motivation is mostly people who want to engage?
There's no total karma for a user yet, yes. So the perverse incentive to make number go up at all costs isn't quite as wild as it is in Reddit.
As I wander around Lemmy more I'm also noticing that there's a lot of opportunity for instances to have their own subcultures, which goes against the "It doesn't matter which Lemmy instance you use" advice I've seen in a couple places. It definitely seems prudent to choose an instance that has an admin team and/or a theme you like, because instance-local content is going to be the easiest to find. The instance I chose is decently small and chill, but I've seen some other instances with a big focus on memes. To each their own!
I agree with you to an extent, but I have noticed on my instance it is heavily populated with outside instances so hopefully as this grows that subculture part will not be as much of a concern and more a fun “extra bonus” if you will of your favored instance and we can still unite under our favorite “common communities."
Yeah, I was thinking of having some sort of feature that pre-builds thread topics in a post (humor, discussion, cross-searching) where users can put there comments in depending on what it is they're going for.
I'm also eyeballing Tildes as a Reddit alternative, and their dev has an interesting approach to increasing signal-to-noise ratio. They don't have downvotes, but they have labels that affect how comments are sorted, with the
jokeandnoiselabels moving comments down in the sort by a pretty significant amount.Tildes developer has openly said they don’t intend for it be a replacement for reddit, and that kinda is what makes me come here instead.
If they aren’t open to the idea, it will never happen.
Not saying they should open the floodgates either, it’s mainly that the use cases and end goal for Tildes vs Lemmy are completely different
That sounds like it could work pretty well, you could even just add it on to other comment sort styles. You don't need to necessarily remove downvotes if you really want them in specific instances.
Doesn't Slashdot kind of work like that?
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Agreed. I think for now it's up to each community owner to set the expectations for their community and for the mods to enforce it. And so like Twitter...the quality of your feed will be dictated by whom you follow or in Lemmy's case which communities you join.