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Hexbears need to be sure to explain “liberals” don’t mean left-wing, as it is commonly (and inaccurately) understood.
“Left-wing” is pretty vague. I’ve seen people say things like “now I’m as leftwing as they come, which is why I support sending tens of billions of dollars to Ukrainian Nazis! Slava Ukraini!” Under the capitalist mode of production, there are communists, liberals, and fascists. That’s pretty much it.
That’s a pretty narrow minded.
Not really. You either support capitalism or you don’t. And if you do support it, you’re either comfortable with its nastier aspects (genocide, slavery, the annihilation of the human species via climate change), as fascists are, or you find those aspects uncomfortable, as liberals do, though they aren’t an issue for you if they’re kept out of sight. Is there some other group I’m missing here?
I don’t like capitalism, but I’m not a communist. 🤷♂️ I must not exist.
Do you have a plan for destroying capitalism?
What actions have you taken that have had a measurable impact on destroying capitalism that I can verify?
Why would I want to destroy communism? It doesn’t really exist outside of a few extremely isolated communities. I’m trying to make it a global thing!
Sorry I meant to type capitalism, edited.
Ah, okay, capitalism. I can’t doxx myself because that’s fed shit, but the thousands of comments I’ve made on this subject on hexbear should strongly suggest that I am quite dedicated to the destruction of capitalism. Do you even believe that destroying capitalism is possible or desirable?
Sorry, can’t tell ya all the people I’ve killed, cause that’s fed shit. 🙄 Real convincing.
Do I think it’s possible to destroy capitalism entirely? No. People don’t give up power and property. Also, humans are greedy and corrupt—but that’s a different topic.
Do I think we can get to the point where there is significantly less suffering and class gap? I think it’s possible.
Okay, then you are a liberal 😉
I’m a realist.
You can disguise your actual identity with whatever words you like, but excusing capitalism is liberalism.
I never said I excused it. I’m just not deluded enough to think that people, as a whole, WILL actually change even if I want them too. And I don’t go around pretending I’m a badass fighting capitalism, when all I do is shitpost in my echo chamber and lump people into two categories: good and bad.
But, you keep fighting the good fight, my keyboard warrior comrade. Eventually those memes will capture the youth and pretty soon we will all be communists.
I’m not excusing it. I’m just saying that destroying it is impossible. See the difference? /s
Do you think that feudal lords thought it was possible (in the 1500s, say) that capitalism would destroy them and take over the world?
I think you’re confusing my disappointment in humanity as acceptance of their behavior.
Like I said, “good” or “bad.”
Do you have anything that was produced in a sweatshop? Of course you do. You’re typing on it. So, don’t be all high and mighty now. A real communist would reject such things. I guess you’re just making excuses for capitalism too, liberal.
As for the feudal, lords… I’m pretty sure we still have a group of rich people making decisions for all of us, and we just think things have changed—but they really haven’t and most of us are still forced to work to live. Not terribly far from indentured servitude.
I assume you believe that human nature is an omnipotent and unchanging concept that influences the material world without being influenced by it. If I am correct, how is your conception of human nature different from the Christian conception of God? And if I am incorrect—if you believe that human nature can change—doesn’t that mean that communism is therefore possible and that we should do everything we can in order to achieve it?
Did capitalism randomly originate one day out of the void? Or was it created by feudalism’s collapse? Were the first capitalists hypocrites for using feudalism (long-term rents, for instance) to destroy feudalism itself? Do you think that any of them cared?
Do you live on a manor and are you a peasant, like 90% of feudal people? Do you pay half your annual harvest in kind to your lord and to the church? Are you forbidden to leave this manor by law? Are you able to access the commons for your own material sustenance (food, firewood, construction materials)? If you answered no to any of these questions, then you aren’t actually living under feudalism and there is actually a difference between good and bad things!
Now you’re just making excuses.
And you’re rather disappointingly refusing to answer pretty basic questions. Losing ideological battles online is a prelude to losing them in the real world 😉
I haven’t lost anything. You claim to be a communist, and criticize others. Then when you’re called out for—and admit to—living the life of a liberal, you just make excuses for your liberal behavior.
If you don’t practice what you preach, you’re the same as everyone else.
Have a good night.
Should I reiterate the questions I already asked which you refused to answer? Just remember that it was a Marxist who defeated you, and that if you can’t beat us, you should consider joining us. Start by reading The Communist Manifesto online. It’s the last thing your boss wants you to do 😉
I love it when people declare themselves the winner because they’ve talked the other party into disinterest. If you feel like you’ve won, that’s all that matters. Good for you! Here’s your certificate of participation and my further disinterest.
However—You’re not a communist. You’re a poseur, a hypocrite, and a troll. And if you represent the fight for communism, it’s dead in the water.
If I’m poor and I fight for communism, I’m not a real communist, I just want to be rich. If I’m rich and I fight for communism, I’m a hypocrite. Who is a real communist? Do real communists exist? Please keep telling yourself that we aren’t real. It’ll make it easier for us to save the planet from bourgeois scum like yourself who are trying to destroy it.
I never said communists aren’t real. I said you aren’t one. Poverty doesn’t equal communism. Maybe you wanna be, but you’re just a wannabe.
I hope one day you get to live in a communist community.
Goodbye
I intend to live in a communist community, and to make you live in one as well. Who is or was a real communist?
I'm going to have to ask you to place your dot on one of four quadrants so I can hurry up and assume everything else you've got to say
I feel like a pre-trans person when asked to check [ ] male. [ ] female.
I guess my options today are:
A. Poor because I tell myself I’m a communist
B. Poor because the rich are taking my wages through over taxation and artificially increased prices
C. Poor because the rich have told me I’m poor.
Man, fuck that world 🤪
Liberals already make it very clear that they aren't left wing, do you think barely-regulated capitalism is a left wing position? Do you think constant warmongering is a left wing position? They're garbage at actually doing anything concrete besides spending money on weapons.
Sounds like you like cheering for blue team though.
Only hexbears know this. Lol. If you ask any righty on the street “are you liberal” they’ll say “hell no I ain’t no commie democrat. “
And when most people say “own the lib” it’s usually meant to mean lefties.
So use whatever words you like, but successful communication is more important than proper vocabulary.
vibes based politics lmao
Back to those communication skills.
I tend to communicate with direct action, rather than trying to sway people materially aligned against me with words.
It's one thing to say you support things and vote, it's another to actually show up to organize and fight for those things.
What are you doing then?
I'm in a communist party, I do local organizing, get people out on picket lines, run food distributions.
I do other stuff that I would not post about online as well.
You sound like the other guy. Alt account I’m guessing?
nope, just another random user, we have a lot of overlap in politics though as you can tell
So tell me something that someone else has done that you didn’t do but maybe would give me an idea of the kind of things you might have done but certainly aren’t admitting to…
link
I’m guessing you’re the type to encourage the releasing of bears in a libertarian camp?
That's pretty much what's been happening since federation.
but also yes lmao
Well, I guess I can get behind that. Party on.