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Ubuntu's Mozillateam PPA now forcing users over to snap install for Firefox. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 1 year ago by PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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What use to be the PPA that allowed Ubuntu users to use native .deb packages for Firefox has recently changed to the same meta package that forces installation of Snap and the Firefox snap package.

I am having to remove the meta package, then re-uninstall the snap firefox, then re-uninstall Snap, then install pin the latest build I could get (firefox_116.0.3+build2-0ubuntu0.22.04.1~mt1_arm64.deb) to keep the native firefox build.

I'm so done with Ubuntu.

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[–] CaptainJack42@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There's a simple reason why Mozilla/canonical does this and that is security fixes. Due to the difference in support cycles of Firefox and Ubuntu LTS versions fixes would have to be manually backported to the system Firefox version and newer versions won't run due to library dependencies. Snap solves all of that.

Don't get me wrong though, snap is still terrible, but other than flatpak or doing the work of backporting it's the only option to get security fixes to Ubuntu

[–] thalience@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Previous to the switch to snaps, Ubuntu was providing the latest version of Firefox built for each supported Ubuntu release. I'm sure this was more work, but the older system library version issue was not a blocker.

Edit: in fact, Mozilla still provides an apt repo with Firefox deb packages built for each supported Ubuntu release.

[–] CaptainJack42@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

But around the same time mozilla shortened the support cycles for their lts releases

[–] cmeerw@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

and newer versions won’t run due to library dependencies.

Mozilla seem to be able to limit library dependencies in their builds: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/system-requirements/

[–] cmeerw@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

But are they actually doing this? I am not seeing any changes: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa still has the .deb packages

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

literally every other distribution can solve this problem but Ubuntu can't?

[–] OptimusPrimeDownfall@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Not really. After working with CentOS (RIP) for a half decade, that Firefox version was so out of date I was practically in diapers when it came out. Getting the latest version of Firefox was such a pain that my org didn't bother even if it would have given us some niceties.

LTS and other "enterprise" distros don't push the latest version precisely because of dependencies.