The ebike class 1/2/3 concept is stupid puritan nonsense driven by cyclist jealousy and serves only to limit the usefulness of ebikes as car replacements.

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Cyclists are jealous of ebikes passing them without apparent effort

As a cylclist...no this is not it at all, and the fact that you think this at all tells me you're definitely not a biker.

As a cyclist I'm terrified of ebikes flying by me at 20mph wearing zero proective gear without notifying me that they're flying by me. Or flying at me. Or flying by me on the sidewalk when I'm a pedestrian. Or flying by my door on the sidewalk when I'm literally just trying to get my mail. Or flying through a stop sign at me when I'm walking, biking, or driving. Or any of the other ridiculous things ebikers tend to do at maximum speed with absolutely flagrant disregard for literally anyone's safety. Getting up to 20mph on a pedal bike requires some serious effort and distance so most people aren't zipping around on sidewalks or on city streets or on gravel bike trails at 20 mph. E bikers though have one setting and it's "hit the speed limiter" regardless of their environment or how safe it might be.

Honestly it's less the bikes that are the problem it's the people on them. Frequent bikers use body language, signals, words, and sounds to help each other identify where we are and where we're going in order to keep all of us safe out there. We ding our bells our shout "on your left" when passing. We make eye contact and adjust our speed to pass each other without stopping at intersections. We stay in our lanes and help protect each other from cars when we're on the roads and on the trails. E Bikers don't do any of this shit, they just whizz around everyone at top speed without having any respect AT ALL for anyone else on the road. They're like the BMW drivers of the bike world. It's a safety hazard for them with regards to their unexpected behaviors and cars, which isn't really my business I guess. But what is my business is when it's a safety hazard for me, and that's what basically every rich asshole on an e bike has become.

I'm not saying ban them or anything like that, banning things is generally dumb, but we absolutely need to do something to deal with the massive safety hazard they're causing (along with electric scooters) in our already horribly unsafe bike lanes. If classifying them by "level of safety hazard they present" helps us do that then I'm all for it. At the very least I don't think any motorized vehicle should be allowed in bike lanes or bike trails unless they're specifically motorized for accessibility rather than for dickhead speed. They should be relegated to the spots where other motorized vehicles are until and unless the people who use them can prove that they can safely exist in spaces reserved for human powered vehicles only.

So basically fuck e bikers, stop putting everyone on a bike in more danger than we already are and maybe we'll change our mind about you.

Look below to see an example of ~~BMW drivers~~ ebikers who have no clue that other people use the infrastructure they're destroying

[–] NPa@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I gotta say, E-bikes do sneak up on you with 0 warning, and they really only travel at maximum speed, but I think the easy solution is ban cars and appropriate the roads for e-bikes, leave bike paths for pedal-powered.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Definitely in favor of just ridding the universe of cars and separating smaller lanes out for various better modes of transit. That keeps everyone safer

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fuck off with this divisive bullshit. When I biked in Asia where motorbikes are the norm, no motorcyclist ever gave me any shit for being on a bicycle, and I never had any problems with a motorcycle. The real threats on the road are cars, not other bikers.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean that's great in Asia, I have never biked in Asia. Sounds like they're fostering a culture where everyone using non-car vehicles learn to share the road, and that's great. Shame we aren't doing that here.

I have biked frequently in a number of US cities and the number of times I've been run off the bike lane by e bikers being absolute dickheads is ridiculous. I bike many times a week in my major US city and e bikers / e scooters are a goddamn menace. So are cars by the way, no idea why both of you are somehow strawmanning me as if I think cars aren't dangerous. I am more afraid of being hit by a car than I am an e bike, but I'm more afraid of being hit by an e bike than I am a manual bike. Turns out more than one thing can be dangerous at a time, who knew.

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Those ebikers will become literal BMW drivers if ebikes become inconvenient. At least you have mutually assured destruction with the ebikers.

The fact that they don't require a throttle or engine noise at high speeds is insane though.

[–] NPa@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

motor bikes and scooters are usually not a problem, people have to get a license for them which weeds out the worst offenders, and they're loud and easy to spot. E-bikes have that electric car problem, where they'll accelerate completely silently and appear out of nowhere right behind you. just make ebikes require a quick and cheap license/training course and make them have fake engine sounds, ezpz