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[–] axont@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Liberals have no consistency and are totally operating on vibes. I remember liberals used to really like Israel.

They've even somehow rehabilitated George W. Bush even though he's evil incarnate. They also admire literal monarchy? Like they were really into Elizabeth II back when she was around. They'll all trip over themselves to say nice things about Churchill, about Alexander Hamilton (slave owner), and will say war crimes like the atom bombing of Japan are complicated. Other things their heroes did just aren't in their worldview at all, like Clinton bombing Yugoslavia and Sudan, or Obama overthrowing Libya. Those events just vanished into nothingness for liberals. Or if you bring them up you're accused of whataboutism and the conversation stops.

And yet they have the gumption to say we're bootlickers?

And they criticize us for saying otherwise factual things about Russia? Not even bootlicking, just very neutral information like that NATO is openly hostile to Russia and that Crimea is currently administered by the Russian state. That's enough to be called pro-Putin, but more than that, you're not just expressing a political reality, your mind has been infected with Putin and you're a bad person now.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They've even somehow rehabilitated George W. Bush even though he's evil incarnate.

The bit where they had Bush giving candy to Michelle Obama six fucking years after the "end" of the Iraq War.

“He has the presence of mind and the sense of humor to bring me a mint,” Obama said of the former president, per ABC7. “And he made it a point to give me that mint right then and there, and that’s the beauty of George Bush.”

Actual quote from Michelle Obama.

In October of this year, Obama discussed her close relationship with the former president while making an appearance on TODAY to interview with Bush's daughter, Jenna Bush Hager.

“I’d love if we as a country could get back to the place where we didn’t demonize people who disagreed with us. Because that’s essentially the difference between Republicans and Democrats,” she began. "That doesn’t make me evil. And that doesn’t make him, you know, stupid—it’s just a disagreement and that’s how I feel about your father. You know? He’s a beautiful, funny, kind, sweet man.”

HE MURDERED A MILLION PEOPLE OBAMA!

(I never know how to refer to the spouses of major political figures. First name, for women especially, seems demeaning but not in a useful way, while last name is confusing, and fuck me if I'm putting "Mrs".)

[–] Melonius@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

He's just a kind old feller who spends time painting nowadays. Wholesome harmless grandpa with a guilt free conscience.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

"That doesn't make me evil."

Yes it does

[–] axont@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

I’d love if we as a country could get back to the place where we didn’t demonize people who disagreed with us.

I politely and respectfully disagree with killing one million Iraqi people, Mr. Bush.

[–] Sphere@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

If she held Dubya to a higher moral standard than this, she might have to consider doing the same to Barack, and she definitely doesn't want to do that.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hadn't thought about Clinton bombing that pharma factory in Sudan for a while. : |

Try telling them that there was no political reality where Russia would allow Ukraine to sieze control of Crimea and had it to NATO. Watch them seethe at you for denying the holiness of national sovereignty. Watch their minds bounce off the idea of strategic interest like a duck bouncing off a jetski. Oh, and try telling them that pretty much everyone in Crimea in some way worked for or worked to support the Russian Black Sea Fleet, so Russia didn't have to invade because they already had a huge military base there. They just took the old flags down and put new ones up.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's also no political reality where NATO would actually let Ukraine become a member.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

You know that is one I haven't seen any libs reckon with? Most of them are firmly convinced Russia invaded Ukraine because Putler is evil with no real analysis beyond that, but the fact that Ukraine has been yelling about joining NATO for years, while NATO has repeatedly said that will never happen, should have raised some kind of flag at some point.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Obama did Honduras too in 2009