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It's the dunk tank.

This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 141 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Hexbear is fascist. They’re pretending to be tankies, but every single post on there is right-wing and bigoted. It’s so damn obvious.

These people absolutely just make shit up relentlessly.

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 79 points 1 year ago (55 children)

We are fascists for checks notes... not supporting ukrainian nazi militias in their struggle to purge ukraine of the ethnic russians.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

we're ideologically much, much further away from Putin than they are. if he didn't intervene in Crimea or Ukraine but kept all his policies otherwise intact, including the ones repressing minorities and pro-market ones, he wouldn't be nearly as hated by these people.

libs fall over each other for the esteemed opportunity to lick the boots of the most depraved, most despotic, most comically evil politicians and oligarchs, with three exceptions: when they carry out those acts in a transparent way rather than hiding it behind veils of "we need to cut social security because of X"; when they use the state for economic interventions rather than free market "solutions"; and when they decide to snub America on a certain issue (but are otherwise perfectly willing lapdogs)

e.g.

unhinged rightwinger: "I will kill 100,000 poor people."

libs: "nooooo! we need to register with our local police department to hold a 1 hour march through the city and then get teargassed anyway and then mutter "just a few bad apples" on the way home! but it's important to remember that China does way worse things! stop using whataboutisms by bringing up America!"

unhinged rightwinger: "fine. I will reduce social security spending and cut funding to hospitals and homeless shelters (this will have the effect of killing 100,000 poor people)"

libs: "hm, yes, very wise, for I am also socially liberal but fiscally conservative and I think it's important to reach across the aisle and engage civilly with our opposition so that they will give us policies in return (they won't). the efficiencies in this sector will go up 4.7% according to this think tank's analysis..."

leftwinger: "we should increase funding to hospitals and build more houses in this city to fix the homelessness problem (this will have the effect of saving 100,000 poor people)"

libs: "noooo! you're using state funds which will increase the big magical national debt number! you're not allowing the free market to build the best and most efficient housing! we can't do this while there's inflation! read economics 101! some of those building materials come from Russia and China, you're a tankie!"

[–] charlie@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The concept of a national deficit is so hard for me to grasp.

So a deficit is when the government spends more money than they take in from taxes, cool. So government just raises taxes when they end up doing that, sort of like how I up my tax contribution if I end up owing at the end of the year. Wait, they only raise taxes on the working class? Because the capitalist class, through their money, is able to organize and consolidate power? That's shit but surely it doesn't get worse.

Okay, so where do they get the money to spend if they're spending more than they take in? It's gotta come from somewhere, I'm sure they just print more and that can't be bad. Oh, so when they print more money that makes the existing money worth less... Well that goes for the capitalists too, so at least that's even. Oh, you mean that they get to park their money in appreciating assets while mine gets spent day to day and my wage stagnates so my purchasing power and meager savings just fucking declines... It surely can't get worse.

Yeah, I remember that appreciating assets thing. Get it over with, how does that fuck me over? So the government issues bonds, basically guaranteeing a set return on the money capitalists spend on them. How can the government guarantee that? Isn't the market too volatile for that kind of guarantee? Ah, of course they would make up the difference with taxes, which I just learned are dis-proportionately paid by the working class.

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[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago

If we were fascists, why don't we support amerikkka smuglord

[–] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Shit like this always reminds me of how a big watershed moment for my baby leftist journey was finally coming to the understanding that these words have meanings that get warped like a fun house mirror in the U.S.

I just casually referred to Stalin as a fascist once in front of a non Anglo and they called me out for it. They weren’t even an overly ideological person they had just grown up in a non Anglo education system and to their ear calling Stalin a fascist was factually incorrect and sounds kinda idiotic to most non western ears. The self awareness this created was the start of a lot of of layers peeling in retrospect.

They were absolutely correct! Obviously! Whatever criticism you may have of Stalin, and I think we all have them, he was not a fucking fascist! Stalin could easily be one of the most pivotal figures in the DEFEAT of fascism in Europe and yet liberalism and propaganda and the myopic political lens that Americans are given to interpret the world drains all texture and greyness from history and leaves you with this shambling nonsense narrative where everyone who was opposed to the U.S. global hegemony post WW2 in ANY capacity is either a “fascist” or a footnote in the history books because whatever shot they had at the wheel was usurped by the State department.

All this is to say never stop bullying and always remember to remind anglos that the western narrative of history is far from universally accepted and full of gaping holes.

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[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol so what made us so extreme that we’re no longer even tankies. From what I’ve seen, even the most pro Russia/pro Belarus people on here will instantly shit on patsocs and everyone right of Bernie sanders, and then Bernie sanders himself

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Them: "hexbear is a tankie echo chamber"

Hexbear: Federates to specifically not be an echo chamber

Them: "hexbear is federating just to fuck shit up"

[–] Tech_Issus@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative." -Michael Parenti

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[–] CriticalResist8@hexbear.net 76 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought lemmy.ca defederated from hexbear, why do they care about this lol. You're living rent-free in their heads.

One good thing this federation-stir has done is make the liberals on lemmy realize they're not actually the majority and there's a whole world out there. They really thought that if they blocked lemmygrad they were not going to see communist stuff anymore and as we all know, if I can't see it then it doesn't exist, and then bam, hexbear appears in their rear-view mirror.

[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Living rent free in their heads bunny-vibe

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

You're living rent-free in their heads.

Being the chief tenants organization in social media platforms we're not even on is kinda our thing.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This is what I think about that

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I enjoyed this. It's extremely difficult to understand and feels somewhat like the internet equivalent of poking your fingers through someone's brain made up of a mess of overlapping thoughts.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Next time I'm going to ease up on the blurring to make the small text easier to read, but a meme just doesn't feel like a meme if it's not at least a little blurry and pixelated.

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[–] TillieNeuen@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As always, your art is an inspiration rat-salute

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[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago (3 children)

holy fucking shit

Yup, don’t know how that’s not obvious to everyone at this point. They just shit on anything western/American to be contrarians. China is good cuz MURICA bad. I’m not a fan of imperialistic western behavior either but that doesn’t make China a positive influence on the world stage.

I really thought more liberals-leaning-left had become more aware after 2020. I guess if you can't abide the anti-capitalist perspective, it's quite impossible to fight against the propaganda currents.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

shitting on the global hegemonic imperialist power into which the exploited labor of billions feeds is "contrarian". of course.

I’m not a fan of imperialistic western behavior either

oh no, they better not follow it up with a b--

but

lmfao.

doesn’t make China a positive influence on the world stage

I'm a little confused by what metric China isn't a positive influence on the world stage. sure, call them 1985 george ornell aminal farm authoritaritarians all you want inside their country, continue to make social credit score jokes like a dipshit, whatever, but China hasn't declared war on a country in decades and they've actively pumped one trillion dollars into infrastructure projects in developing countries, forgiving debts as often as not. meanwhile, the US pumps trillions of dollars into murdering civilians into several of those same countries.

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[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The narcissism is strong here. Everything in the world revolves around them. We federated just to trick them. They are the main character of the universe and we are out to get them. Everything is about them.

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[–] EndMilkInCrisps@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly I think we could be a little bit more critical in our critical support to AES states but any support for them will be seen as supporting "authoritarianism" by libs. Propaganda runs deep.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Word. It's hard to stay nuanced when you're constantly beating back bad faith crap but the effort needs to be made. Sucks that it takes one sentence to scream "TANKIES" and like eight pages to explain anything real.

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[–] Egon@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Peak liberalism https://lemmy.ca/comment/2366603 "they're fascists! I don't have any proof for this of course, but I just know they are".

[–] PeoplesRepublicOfNewEngland@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"I can find no evidence for this but I believe you"

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[–] puff@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"The utter lack of LGBT content on hexbear whinograd is quite telling"

This person has never used Hexbear.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago (7 children)

LGBT is when you post shitty Reddit memes about being a heccin thigh highs catgirl programmer and nothing else

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[–] booty@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they seem like a really toxic and unhealthy bunch of people.

extremists who’s only defense to anything they don’t like is attacking others and badmouthing them.

does this weeb realize they're literally in the same breath doing a thing and complaining about us doing that same thing

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

It did gave us a bunch of dunktank content

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

For me, the point was to engage in other communities and talk to others outside of hexbear. I've done that and shared my opinions on things, from Android to homes to formula one to politics. If they disagree with my opinions that's fine, but it was never to "fuck shit up", I've always been genuine in my interactions.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

"Hexbear is the_donald of the fediverse. They’re doing it to troll and get people angry."

https://lemmy.ca/comment/2363995

[–] pooh@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That thread is an absolute cesspool. Maybe the worst fediverse meta thread I've eve seen.

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