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If you admit that there has ever been a Nazi in the borders of Ukraine, or that NATO was involved in any way with the lead up to the war, your are pro-Putin.
Or if you even suggest that a few border regions in Ukraine, once a stalemate was basically reached, aren't worth the displacement of millions of people, deaths of (ultimately) a few hundred thousand+ people, destruction of the built environment of huge swaths of Ukraine outside of those regions, and the probable failure of some UA refugees to integrate elsewhere ultimately leading to "terrorism" (probably just CIA) in mainland Europe as thin justification for future US occupation of somewhere.
There's foreign aid in the face of an invasion, regardless of whether it was or to what degree it may have been provoked it's still an aggressive invasion that reveals a tremendous lack of imagination and foresight amongst Russian leadership. There's also such a thing as dumping fuel on a fire while knowing who gets to cut the loans to rebuild, and knowing who gets the friendly relations in the post-war government to secure Ukraine's plant, mineral, and labour resources for pennies on the dollar whilst they're under the heel of austerity....
Those regions were pro-separatists since the war started in 2014. All of this would have been avoided if Ukraine was less genocidal towards the ethnic Russian population, but no. They had to poke the bear and posture towards nato membership.
From a realist perspective Russia did not have a choice in this. It WAS provoked entirely by the ukraine and the western instigators who encouraged it and the coup.