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[–] dinklesplein@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago (4 children)

how has media so successfully gaslit people into believing that the ukraine was ever even successful at being a liberal democracy? i guess all that rampant corruption that was covered by liberal outlets suddenly stopped being a thing when the SMO started thonk

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Because they want and need to believe it so that it justifies their warmongering and bloodlust against Russia

This essay is mentioned too often but it's so good https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

Class analysis on imperialist propaganda and why Westerners believe it so easily

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same reason liberals still think the US is a democracy: if you just say something enough times loudly enough, people start to believe it.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think a lot of them also don't really understand how the government works, and their conception of what "Democracy" means is so deeply enmeshed in the American Civil Religion that they're dealing with more of a religious article of faith than an actual political system grounded in the real world.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Of course it is, that's how "Democracy" has always worked. In what meaningful way has the US ever promoted Democracy? Yet every single military action abroad is justified by saying we're defending Democracy. It's not an actual thing, just a signifier (and practically speaking, democratic countries = countries that bend the knee to US hegemony).

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I doubt most of them knew Ukraine existed in any real sense. All I knew about Ukraine when things started to heat up is that it used to be part of the USSR and there was a revolution there in '14.

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

was a revolution there in '14.

was a ~~revolution~~ violet overthrow of a democratically elected government by torch-wielding neo-nazi thugs in '14

FTFY 😘

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Yup, no question. I didn't understand the politcs and details until I started looking in to it.

[–] ewichuu@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

can you explain me/link me to something that explains why you see it as a coup?

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is anecdotal but should be enough to get you started at least

[–] ewichuu@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Gorillatactics@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

No you see its like in the movies when the bad guy joins the good guys to fight a new bad guy.