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And Democrats were warned that they need to stop putting their thumbs on the scale to push the most dog shit candidates that don't promise anything that will help the working class. Fascism happens when democracy is unresponsive to the needs of the working class, and for the last 50 years Democrats have just been great at finding excuses for why they can't do something. Do you think Trump will listen to the parliamentarian if they disagree with something?
Fuck, Democrats have even been voting for his cabinet picks, despite claiming Trump is a fascist. They all voted to confirm Marco Rubio.
what about biden? Dude was pretty popular with blue collar workers, and pushed a lot of good relevant legislation.
this is factually, not fascism, i feel like im speaking with nazis trying to "subvert" the normie population and "enlighten" them or whatever the fuck groypers do.
You're either purposely misunderstanding my post, or just obtuse. I'm saying fascists get elected when democracy fails to solve people's problems, not that that unresponsiveness is fascism itself. Look at Weimar Germany and Italy.
to be clear, what you said is an extremely obtuse way to say that "people elect fascists when they want a fascist"
people are acting like it's some fucking new world order plot to overthrow the US government with fascism, but like actually, a bunch of idiots with the ability to vote did it.
also, if you wanted to make that statement more generally accurate, "fascism happens when the people feel that traditional government has failed them" since fascism tends to be primarily opportunist by nature.
And voters were warned with years of inaction that they needed to start being more engaged.
The reason we have so many shit candidates is because people don't show up for the real ones.
"The purpose of a system is what it does". If our system consistently produces shit candidates, shit policies, shit results and demoralizes voters... Then we have a shit system and nothing will ever improve until we demand a modern multiparty democracy with proportional representation and safe guards against fascism.
Multiparty democracy would be fantastic but that's a goal if we make it through this crisis. A more realistic (yet still fanciful) plan would be to destroy the Democratic party and create something new from the ashes. First past the post is here to stay for a long time.
Going to one of the many forms of preferential voting/ Ranked Choice Voting would work. That both major parties vehemently oppose changing first past the post should tell you that such a change would be effective in breaking their power.
That's exactly what I'm saying. It's easier to destroy the Democrats and replace them than fix FPTP voting.
Democrats fielded someone who wasn't a criminal IN A BINARY CHOICE.
It's baffling how stupid people are. Just vote for the person who isn't a rapist bent on destroying the country. Like "see the man-child who can't keep his hands to himself? Vote for the candidate who isn't him."
Stop whining that Dems didn't field mother Theresa.
Mother Theresa was a fucking monster by the way…
I voted for Harris, but she was an accessory to Biden's genocide of Palestine. So don't pretend like she was a decent candidate. Her refusal to condemn genocide was monsterous and made her completely unfit for office, but she just happened to be the lesser evil so I voted for her.
Our system is just rotten beyond redemption. Conservatives ratchet the country towards oligarchy while Liberals act as bulwark against socialist reform that would actually help the working class.
Oh for fucks sake.
It's been ages now, it's getting to be like that all over the world. You don't vote for a candidate. You vote against the raving lunatics. It's starting to be like that everywhere. Do you really think you're going to find a politician you're going to want to vote for? What are you? 8?
If this is true (it isn't) then why didnt Harris stand for Palestine, or even something basic like healthcare for all?
Liberals: genocide is ok with us so long as our team wins.
Is the bar for candidates in fucking hell? How about you grow up and gain a fucking conscience? This isn’t John Kerry in 2004 this is a fucking genocider.
Genocide apologist
So, the litmus test of this logic is this: Do we blame the opposition for the Nazi party? Should we start doing that too after 80 years?
It's a concurrence. Who do you blame for the rise of the nazi party: the nazis who kept rigging the deck in their favor and sowing discord, the conservatives who enabled them, the ineffective social democrats whom people were disillusioned with, the people who held out against voting for them, or the people who basically were screaming at the latter three to do fucking something.
With the amount of screaming and championing that the Dems have ignored I refuse to believe it's incompetence or ignorance. This is wilful and active support for the party they claim they're in opposition to.
Yup, in other words post WW1 German society as a whole. People don't get to blame Dems without laying blame on themselves as part of this present society.
The antifascists are the only ones who weren't partly to blame. But also on a scale of who's most to blame, it's the nazis.
yup. that's my point, sometimes users on Lemmy (and other left-leaning sites) imply that Dems are much more to blame than trumpists. Ultimately it's the people who voted for trump and then the people stayed at home, and then the Democrats.
Yes, we should, as liberalism works for capitalism and capitalism always leads to fascism. Rosa Luxembourg said it best, socialism or barbarism. But Marx and Engels described the end stage of capitalism almost 100 years before fascism.
We have no opposition party lmao. Was it worth it for Harris to throw the election by siding with Israel? Neoliberals are also fascist.
They're not an opposition. They famously will not act like one. They're complicit. After this loss and the lack of resistance I'm done. I've canvassed and fought for Dems for almost two decades and I could count our number of "Wins" on one hand. What a colossal waste of my time and effort.
Dems/Reps aren't the same because they're just as bad as each other, they're bad because they're both on the same team. The Dems had multiple chances to stop this and actively chose not to. It was a trolly problem with no one on the other tracks.
Yes.
The division is the point