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[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

their whole little plan backfired

Was there a plan in the first place? It would've looked like this:

  1. Don't vote Kamala
  2. Trump wins election
  3. ???
  4. No profit at all, everything's fucked
[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did you ever try asking someone to explain the reasoning, or did you you just assume whatever strawman you came up with was real?

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Sure. If you make your vote conditional on supporting a certain policy, then you create an incentive for politicians to support that policy in the future. Politicians have no incentive to care about the concerns of people who support them unconditionally. That means it’s at least potentially the rational and strategic line to draw a red line somewhere, and if you agree with that, then it’s pretty obvious that genocide is crossing that line.

Pretty simple. As the saying goes, why buy the cow (give the voters what they want) when you can get the milk (votes) for free?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

How did that work out for you?

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I still don't understand why just because Kamala didn't explicitly oppose Israël, you choose to allow Trump to worsen the whole situation by forcefully deporting all Palestinians out of Gaza.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She didn't merely, "Refuse to explicitly oppose Israel." She and Biden were completely supportive of Israel, sending them more and more weapons (beyond what congress approved btw) no matter what they did and applying no pressure to them. They went after pro-Palestine protesters and refused to allow a Palestinian-American to speak at the convention. They made it extremely clear which side they were on, and thinking otherwise is just wishful thinking.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ok and what is better about trump?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nothing? What on earth did I say that gave you the impression that I thought Trump was better? I didn't vote for Trump either. You're ignoring what I said and going back to the strawman.

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By not voting for Kamala, you voted for Trump. This is the broken system we must work within to attempt to better society.

You're just in denial about your own complicity.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then by not voting for Trump, I voted for Kamala and you have nothing to complain about.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not true, historically speaking republicans only won when voter turnout was low. This is because Republicans are more extreme and Democrats are more towards the center. Therefore, not voting is allowing Republicans to win.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can use whatever wordplay you like to make me look bad, it means nothing. My determination was and is that making my vote conditional took priority.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Ok I hope you enjoy the next four years knowing that all of this could have been prevented if people like you weren't so stubborn.

[–] AfricanGrey@lemmy.zip 0 points 21 hours ago

Single issue voting is unintelligent and harmful to society. Exhibit A) The current state of the USA.