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Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 06 Feb 2025
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I would love to hear your suggestions for stopping people from being openly Nazis because nothing else seems to have worked so far.
Will you get rid of them entirely? No. Can you force them to shut the fuck up with their hateful Nazi sit if they want to be a part of society? I think this will sure help.
But my family tree's lack of forks does give me a bit of an unfair anti-Nazi bias, I admit.
This isn't about people being just openly Nazi but for any "hate-related offense". If you want to tackle any such thing you might need to look into the root causes of the issues and try to fix those, including tackling concerns from the people who become hateful, such as living conditions, education, that sort of stuff. So much like with criminality. That's a lot more work than just the "tough on crime" approach of throwing everyone into jail for a year, minimum, and hoping that will work (or rather trying to show to your voters that you're doing something).
It will be the same as anywhere that already has this sort of laws, people will be less obvious about it while the same hate and message is out there. I don't think this will affect anything that giving tougher fines wouldn't and it would cause more negatives than that does. You could even have stricter punishments for repeat offenders and do fines as day fines. But prison for a year for any such offense? The scale seems off, especially when you consider that the maximum for terrorism related stuff is six years.
"Less obvious" means fewer recruits. I'm not sure why you think being less obvious is just as effective as being overt.
"Recruits"? The concern isn't people joining something, it's them agreeing with the message. Less obvious approach already works just fine (probably even better than direct approach) all over the world in selling the message and the hate, so if you think this mandatory year of jail will have much of an effect on that, I have a few other "tough on crime" approaches to sell to you. Might even declare War on Hate in style of War on Drugs.
As usual, people want tough and immediate measures, forgetting about a longer term approach and working to tackle the causes of why this messaging sells so well.
Oh I don't think it's just as effective. It's not as effective, it's even more so since it's easier to get people to agree if you start small and then drop hints slowly. Obvious approach will just drive people away. You don't start with "sieg heil kill all the untermensch ", you start with something small, saying how foreigners are stealing your jobs or making the housing market suck. Then you can guide them in the direction you want without ever saying it. And shit like that is almost impossible to go after in any sensible way, without a risk of punishing people on very questionable grounds.
Sorry... you think that averting people from joining Nazi groups is unimportant? You think they're more dangerous as individuals?
I'm sorry but where in my reply did you get those ideas?
The concern is literally them joining something. One bigot alone has very little power.