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[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Color blind hiring policies. We were talking about hiring.

If there are issues not related to the hiring process that make disadvantaged people less qualified, you fix those issues at the source. Ignoring them at hiring just hides the issues making it less likely to be fixed while creating new issues I pointed out.

Besides, what issue is actually not colorblind? Race is basically always a proxy for a different cause. You should not be lazy and identify the real cause, then solve it based on that to ensure people don't fall through the cracks.

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

France has always been officially colour blind, and they're the most racist and racially i equal country in Western Europe.

Colourblind policies don't help as people in authority's implicit biases get freer reign.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

"Badly implemented colorblind policies didn't stop racism in this one country, so let's have explicitly racist policies."

If they are still racist, they are not colorblind. Make stronger colorblind policies and enforce them. Color aware policies don't do anything either if they are only on paper.

Besides, you ignore the point of my criticism. Color aware policies don't prevent inequity, they shift it elsewhere. They keep some places and aspects of life racist while having other be reverse racist. On individual level, the inequity increases, but people pat themselves on the back because when you only look at it based on color, it averages out. It is like saying we should increase the pay of Billionaires to increase average wages. The statistic looks better, but it did not help most people.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

Make stronger colorblind policies and enforce them

Any suggestion of such policies and ways to enforce them?

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 26 minutes ago* (last edited 26 minutes ago) (1 children)

I think we may be operating on different suppositions, so addressing that rather than wasting time clarifying details about France's choice to never record demographic stats for things would be best.

Do you think systemic racism exists and is a large problem in the USA or France?

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

Do you think systemic racism exists and is a large problem in the USA or France?

Yes.