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How do you find the compromise between privacy and daily phone usage? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by xelar@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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I have degoogled my phone few years ago it really hit me how much the phones depend on Google services. Few examples from of my daily usage when I compromised:

Communication

I'm in students group, people there have own group chat on facebook messenger. They share info regarding tests, deadlines etc. Basically standard uni messaging. Unless I had fake Facebook account to be there I would have to collect all info by myself. The alternative is a discord server, which in privacy terms is questionable choice too.

At least I have few friends who use Signal or Element, but it's minority.

What do you usually use and offer when people ask you for contact?

Banking app

Banking app I used has blocked me from app after few years of using it when they realized I have it from "unofficial" source - Aurora store. That motivated to switch the bank and app, which doesn't really on Google Play services. The easiest way to do that was browsing Huawei app store and finding the most suitable app. Do you use baking apps?

Taxi/Transport

Of course theres no way to use Bolt/Uber for transport on degoogled device. What's your way of transport after having few beers in pub? Do you use taxi via calling it directly or use that weird Telegram taxi addon?

Map directions

Is there a way to convert google map pins to open source solutions and vice versa? What's your recommended software for directions? What do you use for driving?

Fitness

Do you track fitness activities?

Phone

Do you have good phone recommendations? I know that GrapheneOS+Pixel is one, but what about others?

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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

As you and others have said, privacy is just much harder on mobile than on desktop. Mobile hardware and software is generally closed-source and locked down. On a tiny screen web apps are also at a genuine UX disadvantage to native apps, which offer much weaker privacy protection.

The pragmatic not-quite solution is to do roughly what you're doing already. NB: maps are actually pretty easy - many people find that OsmAnd and Organic Maps are superior to the corporate options.

But the optimal solution is to move some of your computing back to desktop, i.e. probably to a laptop. This way you get more control over the hardware and software. And it's already some kind of privacy win just because the thing is not in your pocket all day. It's really not that hard and you might even find you appreciate the change! I did.

IMO the big sticking points are the messengers and transport tools - these are where you get genuine convenience from corporate spyware in your pocket. For all the rest, I'm not convinced, personally. For mapping and fitness etc, there are F-Droid apps which work great offline. For everything else including banking, just do it in your web browser while seated comfortably at home. As far as I know, no bank except Revolut insists that you use its app. If you want to do NFC payments, that may require a locked-down OS but not an app and it can be done in airplane mode (I do it regularly).

There are ways to get better privacy on mobile but nothing approaches the benefits of just using your mobile less and your laptop more.