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they're probably just mad that his Linux videos do a terrible job representing Linux.
I think they were mostly fine. Could be better but not terrible.
I watched his videos on Linux and tried using Ubuntu myself a little while back and tbh I kinda had a similar experience to him.
Being asked to restart fairly often and finding it difficult to instal more niche things with command line even if I could just copy paste stuff. I like the lack of Microsoft bullshit but the programs I used for uni and games weren't compatible at the time.
That being said I tried about a year before steam deck became a thing and I got that a year+ ago and haven't had too many issues like that (still some though). Looking forward to general steamos release cause I definitely want to try again
Yeah, I think most people that have 10 or more years experience with linux or unix or other forms think that it has gotten much easier to start out than when they did it, sure it was a struggle back then, but it's been ten years and I have an easy time with all of it now, so it must be easier now. It may be a bit easier than it was 10 years ago, or 20 years ago, but it's still very much not "accessible". Even most steam deck users have a hard time with the very simple, presentable, accessible version that comes on that.
It's easy to lose track of how hard something is when it hasn't been for you in a long time. But linux is unfortunately still very inaccessible for the vast majority of people. It is constantly moving in the right direction, and generally worth getting through the hard part to make it to the other side, but you need motivation to do so, as it will fight back for a long time. But, windows and mac have it almost as bad. Neither one is quite as hard to transition to as linux, but there is still a decent barrier to switch between them. Once linux is around that same level of barrier, that's when we can expect the numbers to come up notably.
Tbh I found steam os alright mostly cause devs making stuff for it have put work into making things GUI based. That being said, I did try install some other stuff to see what I could do and it got confusing so maybe cause I only game on it it's fine π .
I have used windows for all my life but the main reason I want to try switch to Linux is cause windows has gone to shit. Literally one of the 3 largest companies in the world can't make a file explorer that actually works correctly. Plus MS pushing their own services hard is just so annoying.
Ubuntu isnt very good, but a lot of people recommend it because it used to be good. use something else that has an Ubuntu base (for app availability). I would recommend tuxedo os for kde plasma and pop os for a gnome-like experience but a little better. a lot of people recommend mint but I wouldn't, though the reason I wouldn't doesn't really matter to newer users. the most important thing to consider (assuming you're choosing something with an Ubuntu base ther handles drivers normally) is what desktop environment you want. Ubuntu is a modified version of gnome. gnome is kind of like the computer equivalent of how phones work (in a good way). kde plasma is visually a lot like windows (pre 11)by default, but has enough customization that it can look however you want (mine is set up with a windows 10 style taskbar, tiling, and gnome-like handling of virtual desktops). pop shell (what pop os has) is a modified version of gnome that is kind of in between gnome and a conventional desktop, and they are working on something new called cosmic that is even better. remember you can always use a virtual machine to test without affecting your normal system.
edit: forgot to mention cinnamon (mint's desktop). it looks pretty much just like windows 10 like kde, but it has less customization (on purpose). whether that matters or not is up to you.
The fact that you can apparently install the "wrong OS" isn't making it easier for first time Linux users.
Especially if that "wrong OS" is a popular OS.
I never said it was the "wrong OS", I'm just saying that it isn't very good as opposed to other distros. I also went on to explain exactly why I say that and that the best distro is the one you like the most that works for your use case.
You don't, but plenty of Linux users says it's the wrong OS. In fact, I've seen plenty that says you shouldn't choose many of the most popular distros such as Linux Mint and Pop_OS. It always makes me wonder if these people aren't just trying to sabotage Linux desktop adoption among newbies by making it more confusing than it needs to be. Just say the pros and cons of such and such distro and just let people make their own choice instead of trying to push their favourite distro over more popular ones.
firstly, I clarified that I wasn't saying it was bad. second, what other people say independent of me is irrelevant to what I said. third, I explained what the problem was that was making me say that about ubuntu in detail, cited the people saying there is a 'wrong' distro as a reason for doing that, and explicitly said (twice in this thread) that the only relevant things in how good a distro is are whether you like it and whether it works for you.
I didn't say you did. I thought my first sentence made that clear. I was just adding to the conversation, not trying to accuse you of anything. Just comparing what you did right with what I've seen from some Linux users, especially when it comes to talking to new users or people who were planning to switch to Linux.
I'm definitely gonna come back to this when I try Linux again sometime this year when I have a moment to mess around!
Probably a dumb question but why is Ubuntu bad?
It's not 'bad' necessarily, but it makes a lot of controversial decisions such as it's use of snap packages over flatpak. these decisions are harmful to the linux community as a whole and to the experience of using ubuntu, so it's best to avoid supporting it.
for some context on the snap thing, basically different distros use different packaging formats (.deb, .rpm, etc.) which makes it hard to distribute software. also, each individual system is set up differently and has different packages which can make fixing bugs difficult, especially for developers who aren't very familiar with linux. to solve this, flatpak is distro-agnostic (runs on any linux) and puts the app in the same environment on every system. it's also sandboxed, which basically means each app is in it's own little box and it can only see/interact with things it has permission to. snap does most of that as well, but unlike flatpak it is completely controlled by a single entity (canonical, company behind ubuntu) and it means that instead of one sandboxed thing for every distro we have two, which solves nothing. there are some other issues as well, but currently the issue of snap packages is the biggest one most people have with ubuntu.
for more information on all this, I would recommend The Linux Expirement on youtube. not by any means the only good linux channel, but my favorite. also, please ignore the tribalism. people will act like there is a best distro, there is not. people will act like a distro is useless because it doesn't have some random tool that most don't, it is not. if you like the distro and it works for you the it's the best one because your use case is all that matters on your computer.
Thanks for the explanation! Makes sense why people don't like it now
No problem, I try to explain that pretty well when people ask because it's something that there's a lot of misleading info about because of the tribalism.
Ubuntu has gone to shit, use Mint instead
I see this a lot but I always wonder why is it bad? Didn't seem that bad when I tried it
snaps forced down your throat, stability issues, lots of bad decisions in the past (unity, ads in menu or terminal)
none of that is in mint