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People always call Linus Torvalds an asshole, but I've yet to see anything from him that didn't make sense. And the fact that he eventually took community feedback and decided to take time off to deal with his anger issues is commendable.
Linus TT can go and fuck itself though.
He’s definitely a fuck your feelings type. No nonsense and sometimes harsh but like you said it’s almost always justified. I’ll take that over fake ass, greedy LTT Linus “oops I got caught so now I’ll apologize or try to hide it and then apologize” any day of the week.
Linus is giving away home made guitar pedals to kernel contributors
https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/1/19/281
Nive guy
Only an asshole when talking about contributing to Linux from what I've seen
That may be, don't think I've heard him talk about anything else. One of my favorite clips ever is his message to nvidia. Some things are worth being angry about. And because of his angry public reaction, I became aware of nvidia's anti-FOSS efforts. So it's not all bad imo.
You spend all your adult life nurturing a baby like the Linux kernel, a lot of it unpaid, and you'll be a bit touchy about what goes into it too.
he gets paid, more than enough
True.
Here's a dataset of most of his rants from the LKML along with the "hate" rating of each.
https://github.com/corollari/linusrants?tab=readme-ov-file#linusrants
Telling someone they need to get their act together or you'll ignore their shit is considered more hateful than asking for someone to be retroactively aborted?
In my office it is
For an embarrassingly long time I thought they were the same person, and I wondered why anyone would look up to that tool, and call him a genius, when he couldn't even benchmark an HDMI cable correctly (literally the only video of his I watched, and yes, I know that it wouldn't have mattered even if he did do it properly).
Now that I know that its 2 separate assholes, I feel like LTT is even more of a tool who leans into the identity confusion on purpose for more internet clout.
What's wrong with LTT?
He did a video about trying out linux from a novice perspective. It felt pretty disingenuous and likely led many people to conclude they shouldn't even try it for themselves. The part that was most egregious is that he installed steam in a weird way and on that particular OS config there was a warning that said essentially "IF YOU INSTALL THIS YOUR OS WILL PROBABLY BE BRICKED. CONTINUE?" He concluded a regular user wouldn't read that message, which I find not believable. It was a very scary warning. He continued with the install and then acted surprised when the system wouldn't boot anymore afterward, citing it as evidence that linux was not good for the average user. Many pointed out that if he'd installed steam in several other more common ways of doing so, none of that would've happened. I think he was doing it exclusively on cli, which a novice would try to avoid.
Also I saw a couple videos others did showing how LTT had hired someone from a big hardware company (forget which) and around that time started giving better reviews to that company's products and fudging benchmark numbers of competitors to look worse. When others couldn't recreate those benchmark results and released all the data to prove it, he shrugged it off without really admitting wrongdoing at first, vaguely talking about how they'd done their best. That was a pattern of behavior.
Also one of their former employees felt uncomfortable as a woman in their workplace, saying it felt really toxic and bad for mental health. Fuck that guy and that company.
Sources:
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-recent-criticism-of-linus-tech-tips-explained/
https://www.pcgamer.com/linus-tech-tips-temporarily-halts-operations-puts-out-apology-video-linus-made-a-clear-and-egregious-judgment-error/
Oh boy I've worked with IT professionals like that. Something unexpected happens and they completely fail to read or understand what text they're presented with. This is especially common with those not comfortable in a shell
Sure -- but would they then respond to a prompt reading...
And then typing out that full exact phrase? I might do that, but only expecting/understanding that I may fuck my OS.
There's a reason windows flatly refuses to do some things no matter how much you may want to. It's people that would do exactly that without any thought or hesitation.
I prefer a system that warms me but lets me do what I want with safeguards. But I don't buy for a second that many people would do this dumb shit. It requires too much effort for one.
I too prefer that. However, I also know there is a large subset of computer users that just want their magic box to work and I don't think it would be a bad thing if there was a Linux distro they could use.
Well it sounds like we want the same result, but I will submit there already are a few.
I have seen people struggle with install wizards on windows.. so basically if we set up some Ubuntu or a similar OS for many people, they'd be happy with it. People just aren't that great when any speed bump comes up and that's true on windows also.
All the other stuff is 100%
This particular one is 50/50.
He did halt production.
He hired a CEO to manage him.
They did put policies in place to make sure this didn't happen
That's a reasonable response. Better than I expected honestly.
We'll never know if the investigation was viable. They either buried that stuff so deep it couldn't come back up, or the other employees are okay and maybe she was oversensitive. If he had a decent number of women on his productions, I might even give him the benefit of the doubt. It might be that it's a boys club and they're all used to toxic ribbing. We don't know, we can't trust the investigation as truth.
In a vacuum, each of the individual items is just a red flag. When you put them all together, it does seem to form a pattern.
Yeah, I don't know either. It's always possible that one complainer is the issue, but like you said:
I find it likely that she felt the environment was toxic. I don't think she was lying; she probably knew she'd be making a lot of enemies.
Based on all the constant ribbing between the different teams on the show, I find it likely that there's a lot of masculinity to go around.
When you're running a business, it's important to prevent people from making each other uncomfortable. Everyone you hire has a different tolerance, and it's management's job to ensure that reasonable expectations are met and people feel safe and valued.
To be fair, as someone that works in IT....most people would ignore that pop up
One of my favorite sayings at work is “you can’t make people read.” Some workflow has changed, and management wants to alert everyone? They’re very quick to go “oh just post a sign or send a memo.” No, you can’t make people read. People will miss it, even if it’s a gigantic flashing neon sign.
Yeah, I maintain that it's not realistic that a person new to linux would do what he did here. I mean, sure, some people might, but the warning on the screen is really fucking clear it's not a good idea, and it's not the kind of "OK" modal that people are used to safely dismissing without reading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0506yDSgU7M%3Ft%3D638
Counter point: The removal of your desktop environment should not under any circumstances be within the possibility space of side effects for trying to install a common piece of desktop software, regardless of the warnings provided or confirmations required.
This was an issue with the OS, and the Pop_OS! team fixed it in an update very soon after this. A month earlier or later and Linus would not have encountered it.
So he nuked the OS on purpose and then blamed Linux.
No, he nuked the OS because he’s one of those people who shuts down all thought when they’re outside of their depth and smashes buttons. His impression of OS’s is that recovery will always be there to save you.
For a beginner, he had no business digging that deep into the terminal without reading. They were trying to speedrun using Linux with no knowledge.
And this was early in Wayland, a lot of shit didn’t play nice yet. Hell some of it still doesn’t play nice.
If his goal was to install an OS, install steam, install OBS and play some games, he NEVER should have run into most of these issues.
At the time he installed it, there was probably a dep issue installing steam from his package manager. He could have installed it one of a dozen different ways. He wasn't intent on making it work he was intent on showing it was out of the reach of the command user.
The OS did not work out of the box. He manually used the terminal because it did not work.
Exactly. And for the record I've been gaming on pop os since around the time he made the video I linked in this thread and I did not run into that error he got, nor did I ever get presented with a choice to possibly nuke my OS. I don't get what weird thing he did here.
It was not a popup. It was a message in a terminal window. Which not only would most users not use, you'd definitely think they would rapid-fire Y when there is scary message in all caps right about the "y/n" prompt.
Edit: it wasn't even pressing Y. To proceed, he had to ignore the warning which was pretty clear, then type out manually "Yes, do as I say!" then press enter. Regular users who aren't total morons asking for trouble wouldn't do that.
On a video card driver install in text mode?
Nope... I'll bully through an install, but when something says WARNING or CRITICAL, I read that shit. Nobody spends any time on error messages. If you see a long error message telling you it's important, it didn't get there by accident or an overabundance of caution. It got there from having to listen to a hundred people bitch about an unexpected result.
The Linux thing pissed me off. He went out of his way not to follow instructions and tried to windows bully through shit, then called it out as unusable. Then he repeated the same garbage in different distros like he wasn't the problem.
Then there was when he had Honey for a sponsor, found out that they were link-jacking people, dropped them as a sponsor, and never said a word about it. He was the reason thousands of people were using the platform that was stealing from people and couldn't be bothered to mention it on the wan show? When he dropped a VPN because they doxed someone, he had no problem with calling them out.
Then there is this whole spat between him and gamers nexus where his current response is well yeah I did wrong stuff, but they didn't give me warning and a chance to do damage control which is unethical.
He tends to blow people at conventions off with "who are you and why should I care" meanwhile Luke is nice and amicable.
He refuses to own being wrong. He's childish. and every damn time I go back to try to listen to WAN show to get news, he comes out with some other piece of crap.
Torvalds and Sebastion are both assholes.
His channel brings news in, turns it into a digestable feed for the masses. That's commendable.
That was an amazing video showcasing how bad Linux is for the average user.
Probably block this community then, unless you're a troll in which case I assume you'll let me know here.
He can be rude but that's what working with people leads to.
I think the way Torvalds treated the Russian kernel maintainers that got silently removed from development (a situation that, by itself, was completely mishandled) was awful to say the least. In a interview, he said they were all Internet trolls, and referenced conflicts between Finland and Russia to "explain" his disdain for Russians. Say what you want, but I usually call a person that judges others based on their country of birth alone, an asshole. Not just that, but such behaviour sounds extremely ungrateful when we are talking about people who contributed in extremely important ways to Torvalds' biggest project of his life. I used to have a positive view of Torvalds, but this kind of ruined it for me.
He didn't call the maintainers trolls.
This tracks with other Russian social media efforts.
So I interpreted this interview the wrong way. This changes everything!
Thank you for letting me know that I was making a misinformed comment. I'm editing it as we speak.
He supports tivoization.
"He doesn't think he should fight it as a top priority" is not the same as "he supports it".
I looked at the wiki page, but I'm still not sure why/how he supports that. Got a link I can read up on?
Edit: read some more and googled more and I don't see him supporting it, rather it seems he takes issue with trying to dictate to hardware makers what they can do.