I'm not saying I'm definitely right. And sure, the libs deserve the dunking. I look back to when I was a lib and I cringe at the shit I used to say. I'm certainly not thinking "oh why were they mean to me when I said something totally sexist", and honestly fuck anyone that puts their short term feelings above the oppression of a marginalised group.

That said, I think that some Hexbear peeps might be enjoying the now long-lost experience of dunking on libs. I get it, it's fine, I would too. I'm just wondering if we can tone down the insults and PPB, especially in other instances. I would really stick to informed discussion if possible. I'm not reading comments in too much detail, so maybe I'm wrong. I'm seeing a lot of people here put in a ton of genuine effort, and those posters get a order-of-lenin from me.

I have seen Lemmygrad posters complain (nicely) about the level of PPB and shitposting in non shitposting communities. Frankly I think the deserve a bit of respect in their communities. Their culture isn't the same as ours. I love you guys, but PPB is really only funny in Hexbear.

I sorta feel like a mass defederation is just a matter of time regardless of what we do. Maybe I'm just being hopeful that we can make this thing work. Dunno, you don't have to fully agree with me. But for me personally, I would post a lot more carefully with non Hexbear users.

Edit: let me reiterate that the libs do deserve the dunking

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[–] lckdscl@whiskers.bim.boats 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hear, hear... although I'm not entirely sure toning it down is effective in the long run; maybe the effects are actually reverse. While Lemmygrads mostly keep their insults to their own comms for the stray lib or troll, and maintain a diplomatic stance when conversing in foreign comms, they're still blocked by many instances (https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=lemmygrad.ml). Once you "debate" too well, your instance will get noticed as the "serious tankie instance" instead of the PPB instance and risk defederation more? IDK.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Once you "debate" too well, your instance will get noticed as the "serious tankie instance" instead of the PPB instance and risk defederation more? IDK.

I do agree with you. I just think, as the party outside of the power structure, we gotta be yet more thoughtful than the other side. This is just a vibe more than an analysis, so I'm not gonna push this too hard.