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He's right, though.
People don't want to spend all their time practicing instruments to improve their skills. This is already proven by electronic artists using samples and digital instruments instead of learning to play each instrument individually.
That doesn't mean we should use AI generated garbage instead of musicians, however. To me, the electronic producer is still an artist, just a different kind.
Boomer take. I'm a musician of two decades, got my degree in music. Sampling is as much an art and practice as playing a "traditional" instrument—I do both.
Are there lazy samplists? Sure, just as there are lazy guitarists. But watch this and tell me this isn't musicianship. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=sKMDP-vDsTU
lol
Dude, you're the one drawing the lines at who gets to call themselves a musician and who is just a "different kind" of artist. As an "akshul" musician, by your definition, I think you're mistaken and parroting some reactionary takes.
You're taking that in a negative way for some reason.
I just think of most electronic music artists as producers vs musicians because they control the entire production instead of only a part—it's not a negative thing, just an attempt to organize it internally.
This is how I understand what you're saying: Over here we have the "musicians," a title reserved for only those who play an instrument. On the other hand we have the "producers," who make music on a computer, without an "instrument."
But I say both make human music. And a computer can be an instrument. Drawing notes in MIDI is not much different than composing in Musescore. The producer is not unlike the classical composer, and I say both are musicians. And in a discussion on AI music vs. human music, why should we make a false dichotomy within human music anyway? "All models are wrong, but some are useful," said George E. P. Box, statistician.
I think people have taken you as arguing in bad faith. I, and I assume many others, would agree with you that Suno AI is bad. I think AI is ethically uncouth. But your original comment seems to be making a false equivalency between AI music and sampling. I think I understand what you mean better, but I still disagree with your premise and think it's a weak argument for fighting AI.