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[–] BerenstainsMonster@kbin.earth 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Boomer take. I'm a musician of two decades, got my degree in music. Sampling is as much an art and practice as playing a "traditional" instrument—I do both.

Are there lazy samplists? Sure, just as there are lazy guitarists. But watch this and tell me this isn't musicianship. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=sKMDP-vDsTU

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Invidious link didn't work... Do you have the youtube link?

Was wondering what you chose as an example.

I was thinking Avalanches. Or maybe Madlib. Or J Dilla.

Or maybe just RZA. Or DJ Shadow...

Man, I wish I could do the shit those people do. I know how it works in practice, but I just don't have the brain to do it. And yeah, anyone who denigrates it as an art form is clueless.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Gen-X with forty years of guitar here. I 100% agree. I recently picked up a NI Maschine and it is like learning to play a new instrument and far more difficult than I ever expected.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz -2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

non-musicians ...

AKSHULLY, AS A MUSICIAN

lol

[–] BerenstainsMonster@kbin.earth 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Dude, you're the one drawing the lines at who gets to call themselves a musician and who is just a "different kind" of artist. As an "akshul" musician, by your definition, I think you're mistaken and parroting some reactionary takes.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You're taking that in a negative way for some reason.
I just think of most electronic music artists as producers vs musicians because they control the entire production instead of only a part—it's not a negative thing, just an attempt to organize it internally.

[–] BerenstainsMonster@kbin.earth 1 points 9 hours ago

This is how I understand what you're saying: Over here we have the "musicians," a title reserved for only those who play an instrument. On the other hand we have the "producers," who make music on a computer, without an "instrument."

But I say both make human music. And a computer can be an instrument. Drawing notes in MIDI is not much different than composing in Musescore. The producer is not unlike the classical composer, and I say both are musicians. And in a discussion on AI music vs. human music, why should we make a false dichotomy within human music anyway? "All models are wrong, but some are useful," said George E. P. Box, statistician.

I think people have taken you as arguing in bad faith. I, and I assume many others, would agree with you that Suno AI is bad. I think AI is ethically uncouth. But your original comment seems to be making a false equivalency between AI music and sampling. I think I understand what you mean better, but I still disagree with your premise and think it's a weak argument for fighting AI.