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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does it even matter at this point? Nothing will be done. He'll be there until he croaks, being as corrupt as he feels like.

On the other hand, Alabama showed that you don't have to do what SCOTUS says if you don't want to anyway, so even that may not matter.

[–] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A lot of things can be done if awareness of this corruption convinces voters that something should be done. A lot of Democratic leadership has come around to the possibility of packing the court given a suitable majority to do so. Given that the GOP's lead candidate is losing to a guy with one foot in federal prison, 2024 could be a real blowout for their party if their trajectory doesn't change.

Consider what happens if the GOP splits in half because the party can't unite behind Trump or DeSantis- it would present a golden opportunity for a supermajority to pass constitutional amendments regulating the supreme court, guaranteeing equal civil and voting rights, ensuring healthcare, housing, and education for all, and more.

Stop blackpilling when the enemy is withering.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Republicans will vote for Trump. Let's not get caught up in fantasy here, that party is focused and united (albeit not disciplined or frugal).

It's gonna be a turnout game for democrats for the foreseeable future, Republicans are not splitting, they are a cult.

(I would love to be wrong).

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

They'll vote for R regardless of the name next to it

It’s possible that Trump will get a guilty verdict in one of his felony trials between Super Tuesday in March and the national convention in July. It’s likely that Trump will have the election sewn up by Super Tuesday. The trial news will be a shitshow in any case.

They made the Leopards Ate My Face final boss when they refused to go after Trump for his multiple criminal conspiracies. They were so afraid of losing in 2020 that they went all in to support him, because they ceded the voters to him, because at the end of the day they have no policies to sell. It’s just the fear, and Trump does that better than all of them put together.

So honestly, I don’t think they can win with Trump. There are states (and seats) where a shift of 5% of Rs and something similar in Is will flip the state, and Dems have been on a gotv speed run with the abortion laws on the table. I don’t think the poll models are going to take into account just how weird this election will be.

On the other hand, they have fucking DeSantis. DeSantis couldn’t defeat anyone. Still, some of those DeSantis voters are never going to support Trump, so even if DeSantis drops out, he won’t get 100% of the DeSantis (or other) supporters.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Consider what happens if the GOP splits in half because the party can’t unite behind Trump or DeSantis

Based on polling, that split will be something like 95-5.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's an awful lot of "if" in your statements. We need to be concerned with reality as it exists right now, not how it may exist at some unknown point in the future if a specific set of events play out as we hope.

[–] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My point is that you're not truly understanding reality as it is right now. My argument is that the blackpill perspective is an unnecessarily pessimistic outlook without a real theory for change, which is effectively nihilistic and helps fascism.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not the original commenter. I was just contributing that there's a lot of speculation in your statement. Yes, that could happen, but can you really blame people for seeming pessimistic when they've seen open corruption reported for decades now with no consequences or meaningful changes?

[–] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, because making them pessimistic and nonparticipatory is literally one of the goals of the corruption rings.

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More like CynicalSquid. But you’ve got a point.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can you not be cynical about SCOTUS at this point?

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I wouldn’t know. But I guess 38 vacations paid by billionnaires wouldn’t hurt, right?