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There is a spectrum of conditions which may be considered as slavery. Have you ever heard the phrase "economic coercion"? Are you aware that sometimes there are punishments or negative consequences for not "volunteering" to do something? Prison systems and other punitive systems are very well-known for trying to create an appearance of consent when there is actually none.
Suppose, for example, that you lived in the Great Depression in the US, and your only choices are either to starve to death, or to "voluntarily" take on a job with utterly horrible conditions that will lead to a premature death some years down the road. You can just starve, of course, but we wouldn't say it's truly voluntary to take the job. There are pressures within the system that you live in that are outside of your control.
However, I will grant you that the term "slavery" is indeed very charged, and should be reserved for specific contexts, and the purity of its meaning needs to be maintained....and that this issue is complex and somewhat ambiguous. How should we define the term exactly? Who should get to define the term? How bad exactly should things be, before we call them "slavery"?
Someone, say, working on a plantation gathering cotton for a legal slave owner in the 1850s US, is very clearly someone we should consider as subject to slavery. How about a 2020s US prisoner who is forced to "volunteer" as a firefighter or else, say, be at much higher risk of being physically assaulted by a guard? What are the conditions of the prisoner's life like otherwise? It's less clear, but I think there may be a case for calling this slavery.
Another question is, what is it to you? I think, for example, that people who have ancestors who were slaves, are more suited to define "slavery" than people who do not have any ancestors who were known slaves. If you don't have any personal stake in this, then it's all that much more important for you to re-evaluate why you felt the need to comment on this, and why you're so attached to your opinion.
So, I personally would not fully agree with either you or the mod. I am not sure what is best in this situation, but I think it's good if we don't jump to conclusions overly quickly without properly considering how complicated this is.