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[–] tardigrada@beehaw.org 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's a good week, although I just obviously got banned by @OneRedFox@beehaw.org, the mod in the Socialism community. Seems that different views are not welcome. I don't complain (it's your server, your rules), just wanted to let you know that. I was on Beehaw quite a while and didn't expect something like that.

Happy new year to everyone.

[–] Serz@beehaw.org 1 points 13 hours ago

Eesh, reading the comments and the immature modlog response is disappointing, that was actually an interesting and respectful discussion in a community that doesn't seem to have any activity. It seems like lemmy as a whole is just falling into the same issues non-federated discussion/social media have at this point with moderation and communities. It's like there's no real solution; the less people there are, the more insular and detached the community and its moderation is, but the more people there are, the more generic and poor quality the discussion becomes. There's a lot of communities like that one too that you can see aren't really communities, but just a few people posting over and over to prop it up as one. Then the minute there's some discussion from a new person, they're removed.

I will say communities about wildlife and science, like the ones on mander.xyz, are consistently good. Seems to be an exception. Maybe it's because it attracts people who want to learn and discuss things they're passionate about? Maybe some topics are just doomed to fail no matter where their communities are. I'm going on a tangent now, but I'm just tired of every space on the internet being like this, even the ones meant to break away from it. Honestly Beehaw as a whole is pretty good though, I did stop using this account since the announcement about it leaving but it still seems to be going strong!

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 2 points 19 hours ago

Happy new year! I just caught up on that drama. On the one hand, i get your point about categorization of posts and communities. It can be alienating to go to a community expecting one type of post and then seeing the conversation is in a totally different place. On the other hand, OneRedFox clearly puts a LOT of effort into keeping that specific subcommunity alive, and they did explain clearly that their environmentalism article was from a socialist publication, while yours was not. Snapping back with this sassy comment was also not a good look on your part.

Why is it reasonable for OneRedFox to delete your article but leave theirs up? I think it's pretty clear that OneRedFox is very plugged into articles and books from the global socialist community. As the sidebar says, c/socialism is: "A place for all leftist and labor news and discussion, as long as you’re nice about it. Non-socialists are welcome to come to learn, though it’s hard to get to in-depth discussions if the community is constantly fighting over the basics."

There is a subset of online socialists and leftists that are very plugged in like this, and for them, it can be very frustrating to talk to people that aren't as plugged in, because it can feel like you are constantly going over the basics with newbies when what you really crave is deep, meaningful discussion that challenges your existing views. I think OneRedFox is one of those people, and they view c/Socialism as a place for those kinds of discussions, separate from similar posts that might take place on communities like Environmentalism or Politics.

I don't know your exact political views, but I'm guessing you haven't spent a lot of time in recent years reading socialist publications or talking with socialists online. If that is the case, then I think that community simply isn't for you. Which is fine - not everyone has to be into every community on Beehaw. I'm not subbed to c/programming because i'm not a programmer, so i don't really care about the articles and I can't contribute meaningfully to the conversations. I'm subbed to c/socialism because I am curious about it and I am an anti-capitalist leftist for sure. But I don't spend a lot of time reading socialist publications or talking with socialists online, so I rarely comment there because I know I am out of my depth.

Anyway, I don't know if any of that helps reestablish your faith in Beehaw, but I wanted to give my two cents. I hope you are well!

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 3 points 3 days ago

I don't know the case, but hopefully the mod is not closely related to the admin team, so it's not a big problem