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Edit: I also just got banned for apparently being a troll. Me. Not the person they believe to be a dragon though.
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I'm gonna be honest, y'all kinda fucking dumb lmao.
Let's say drag is a troll. If so, then drag's wanting you to do exactly what you're doing now. You have taken the bait, hook, line and sinker. Congrats! You're helping drag cause problems! To avoid taking the bait, you gotta use drag's pronouns. Do that, and there'll be no drama for drag to stir up.
If drag isn't a troll, then you're just being a dick and intentionally causing drama when you could just use drag's pronouns. By doing so, you'd make drag feel happy and accepted; which would be very progressive of you.
Soooooo..... By posting this, at best you're just feeding a troll and making other trans people question whether or not their pronouns will be respected (no, really, when cis people start drawing lines for trans people, I get extremely uncomfortable; it's not your place to do so, fuck right off), at worst you're being a piece of shit.
Edit: the fucking entitlement of cis people telling trans people how to run their spaces is sickening. I thought Lemmy was supposed to be fairly progressive, yet once again I'm being shown that cis people believe they deserve a voice in something that has nothing to do with them. You don't get to call yourself an ally when you question someone's validity.
You disgust me.
"The only way to beat trolls is to comply with their every demand and especially stay silent when they get the administrators to enforce their trolling" is an interesting take, and one about as useful to a community as "Just ignore the bullies and they'll go away" is to a child.
you can also just block people you assume are trolls
That becomes problematic, though, when the admins back the trolls' schtick even in discussions where the trolls in question are not involved.
Whatever happened to good ol block button?
That works too.
The discussion is about people being banned from blahaj, not about whether we want to use these particular pronouns.
I’m sure the dragon user is tickled pink about all the drama, yes, but talking about policy when people are getting banned seems like a good thing to do even that notwithstanding.
Except the discussion hinges around people trying to claim that drag's pronouns aren't valid. That isn't their place to decide. That is why they got banned.
No, the discussion doesn’t. You, the admin, and several others have misinterpreted the argument. The user has been banned across communities for trolling, misgendering, encouraging suicide, bad faith accusations, moderator harassment, and advocating violence. The user has posted comments that are racist and advocating for bestiality. The user has cyberstalked and harassed a Lemmy.world mod to misgender the mod’s daughter.
The user has declared themself to not be a human. You know that to be impossible.
This isn’t about the pronouns. We are on your side. The troll is attempting to discredit you and your communities.
I want to make this clear too: I have trans people in my life. I would never interrogate them on gender or sexuality and judge whether it was “valid” in this way. I do get why the whole concept or anything adjacent to it could make people lose their shit.
That’s not what’s going on here, with this user. The way you said it is a good way. They’re not even claiming to be transgender, that I know of, and the only conceptual overlap is that of pronouns, but somehow that is enough to trigger this thing that I think is protecting them and putting them in the “ally” category.
We only insist on using the correct pronouns. What's the purpose of arguing the validity of a supposed troll's identity when there's plenty of actions to criticize? How often do we need to tell you that the correct response to a trolls is NOT to start misgendering them or similar, before you get it?
And the idea of 'dragonfucker' as a gender identity, don't forget, which is what most of the people removed were removed for.
People got banned for responding to a post by the admin herself titled "Neopronouns are not trolling". They literally started arguing with an admin right then and there about whether some user's identity / pronouns are valid. I don't know what other outcome you expect.
I think the LGBT+ movement needs a reality check if they want to cut the rest of society out of that discussion.
Why would “the rest of society” need to be on a lemmy instance dedicated to being a safe space for trans people?
We don't need to be. And as those of us in the reality-based community are apparently not welcome, many of us will be leaving.
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YUP. no notes. i see no shortage of “i’m blocking you now” in comment replies to other people. it’s two easy clicks to block a single divisive user. why not drag?
because you all clearly enjoy the drama. you wanted to flex your rejection muscles in the face of clearly stated rules in a community space that was not designed for you. enjoy! yall brought this on yourselves.
You're acting like this is a bunch of posters getting together to dogpile on poor drag instead of a bunch of posters being upset at the actions and statements of the admin.
i’m referring to the drama preceding this, as was the person i was responding to.
i personally also have qualms with the actions of the mods, but i still find it to be hella cringe how so many people saw fit to just feed the situation more and more instead of just leaving it the fuck alone as you and i have.
Ah. No comment on that. Like I said, I've barely even seen drag around lately, much less interacted with them.
thank you for understanding
THIS JUST IN: cis, agender people disgust MossyFeathers, and they are so valid in feeling this way! They need an award for not feeding a troll, because addressing the mythical-reptile-sona troll in question at all is definitely not a loosing battle.
Anyways, neopronouns are fine or whatever, and can help people. Trolling in third-person to make a mockery of the concept of neopronouns seems counter-intuitive though, unless making people who use them feel bad is the point. Ah well, I guess agender people don't exist, and cis bad. 😑
i wish that edit was a pinned post in a lot of communities.
I came to post exactly what you said then duck out, so I'll just add that Lemmy as a whole is fairly progressive but .world is largely centrist Americans, has multiple notable shit stirrers, and a few of them and their alts are already here agreeing with themselves.
So yeah, I'm not surprised this turned into a dumpster fire of " 'brave' cishets pontificating on their standards of pronoun etiquette in trans spaces".
I'm just gonna chime in with...
I don't care for drag's pronouns and neopronouns in general, but that doesn't matter. You know what I haven't seen on blahaj in my time there? Drag being nasty and trollish to anyone not using them. In the cases I've seen, drag handles it pretty maturely. Troll or not, people are getting upset about their idea of drag, not drag and drags behavior.
Drag is literally trolling blahaj.zone in the thread in question.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20091173/12155139
That post contains this image, which is drag saying people should take the attack helicopter meme serously: