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I just wanna see my soul leave my body... I just want proof that I am more than this meat.
I think if anything psychedelics have solidified for me the idea that I'm just meat, but in a very freeing way.
I've heard them described as the "cure for atheism"
That's yet to happen for me. Last time I pondered on them I saw that everything is recycled, but not in a return to status quo.. It's like.. when things are recycled we keep the original thing in some kind of shared memory while the things that originally made it are put to new purpose, a purpose that retains elements of what it was before.
Like homeopathy's idea that water "remembers" is correct, but not for medicine or water, but on a smaller level that's more subatomic. I was trying to find more but my boyfriend wouldn't shut the fuck up so eventually I had to give up...
I need to trip alone in a deep meditation.
I can see that, personally I was and have been a staunch atheist since well before I touched any psychedelics and it has not changed my mind. To each their own and I think it can absolutely help in finding meaning in life whether or not that comes in the form of a higher power. Tripping alone has been great for me but I admit its always riskier.
Psychedelics is nice but meditation is better.
Gentle, manual, comprehensive, ceilingless.
Neo rises from his coffin.
Meditation is Contra. Mushrooms are Contra with the Konami code.
Both can be hard and take a long time to master. And the first is much harder.
Konami? Like, the videogame company?
Nah, the Barbeque Sauce company.
Mushrooms could help you think you're more than a bag of neurons piloting a poorly evolved bone and meat mech, or they could help you think that that's exactly what you are. It doesn't matter either way. They're fantastic and I highly recommend them. Take them in a place you feel safe with a person or people you trust. You can go in with intention to learn or change things about yourself, or you can go in just seeing where it takes you. I recommend stopping all mental health medicines for three days before ingesting. If you can't handle three days without mental health meds then you probably shouldn't take mushrooms.
I recommend taking an eighth of a dry ounce for your first try. You can always try more another time if you want.
Oh and you develop near immediate immunity to the mental effects of psilocybin. Don't think you can eat half now then eat half later. The second half won't work. In fact you'll be highly resistant to them for a couple of weeks at least. This is a blessing because you can't get addicted!
I have a bar of shroom chocolate I'm saving for a weekend, maybe I could try listening to the Monroe Institute Tapes on them. I just want a soul.
I'm the wrong person to be talking to about souls for sure. If I had a soul I hope to go to hell and party with the devil.
Don't go alone your first time. I've had some of my favorite trips by myself, but it's not right for someone who is inexperienced.
Oh it aint my first time.
Bye bye. Toodle-oo. Hasta la vista.
give those monroe institue gateway tapes a spin, I am more than my physical body because, etc
Do you have a link, Zelda?
You are more than this meat. In fact, meat doesn't exist. It's just a made up symbol our brains use as a shortcut for processing the far more complicated truth of the world. http://soulism.net/
I'm gonna click this link but this better not be some Heaven's Gate/Hyperianism bullshit
I've never heard of Hyperianism before.
Oh, okay. Well, the foundation for soulist knowledge definitely isn't any kind of secret. Sociologists and psychologists have been saying consensus reality is socially constructed for a long time. Soulism is just the application of this common scientific knowledge to the political sphere.
We do believe material reality is a myth and that the truth of the world can be controlled. For example, money only works because everyone chooses to believe it has value. The fundamental systems of our social world are powered by buy-in from the public. If people stopped believing, they would dissolve in an instant. What we need to do is understand that power and build better social constructs that are actually useful, like medicines and resilient social structures.
Soulists don't value reason over empiricism. We believe various epistemological methods are best used together, playing to the strengths of each. Even mysticism has its uses, it can help us interpret our desires. We're also not anti-religious in the slightest. Religion is just formalised belief, and controlling our own beliefs is the key to controlling our world.
Does that sound like what you were worried about?
I will admit, it does line up with things I see on many drugs and in deep meditations...
But if reality is thought and idealism is closer to truth than materialism, then why can't I make the world suck less by changing how I think about it?
You can make the world suck less by changing how you think about it. But psychology has rules, and you need to operate within the bounds of those rules. Your brain isn't designed to change how it thinks about everything overnight, it's designed for consistency.
In order to change our thinking more efficiently, we need to develop and implement psychological technologies. Like drugs, meditation, magic spells, and social constructs.
You can't cure depression in a day by just choosing to think positively. But you can cure depression by taking SSRIs and engaging in CBT with a professional over months or years. Likewise, changing the world is going to take a lot of knowledge, a lot of wisdom, and a lot of work.
Well, I would rather change the situation than how I feel about it. If that's possible.
Soulists also support an anarcho-communist revolution in which the working class rise up and secure the means of production by use of violence, immediately dismantling the state and allocating the means of production to various communes, unions, and guilds. Society will then be structured by the principle of "from each according to ability, to each according to need", with money and class abolished in favour of community and compassion.
What makes soulism distinct from regular anarcho-communism is the recognition of reality as a means of control used by the state and Capital. We won't just take back the physical means of production, we intend to take back the means of defining reality and controlling belief. The revolution must be both practical and spiritual. Fixed notions of gender, species, and religion must be abolished, to make way for a subjective multiverse where otherkin, enbies, pagans, plural systems, and people who are better described by no term other than simply "mad" can live as their authentic selves in an accepting society.
The colonial mindset of destroying indigenous realities by "re-educating" indigenous children to destroy their connection to language, land, family, and tradition is a genocide. And liberalism and materialism offer no antidote. "We respect your right to have a wrong religion" is bullshit, and that's how our current society seems to address issues of religious freedom and indigenous culture. True justice is believing in the myths of all cultures at once, internalising them all as genuinely true, save for the exclusionary parts.
We must recognise the worldviews of other religions as worlds in themselves that we can visit, and experience on the terms of their own experts, and only then can we understand them politically and offer solutions that present true justice. There is no justice in forcing everyone to live in the same reality. The diversity of human and otherkin experience is too much for one reality and it will always be too much. We must take away the limits of expecting everyone to live in an objective universe, and free people up to choose the nature of the universe they want to live in.
I mean I'm down, but... will it work? Could we really change the universe so dramatically?
We sure can. All the destruction that accompanied colonisation, where languages and religions were exterminated, we just have to do that in reverse. We have to create art, and sing songs, and develop new ideas, and explore ourselves. People will always do those things. You can't stop them, it's in their nature. Capital and the Crown have only ever succeeded in suppressing the natural creativity and curiosity of their people, never stamping it out.
When we come across people who have broken the boundaries, and decided to identify as a demon, or a priestess of Apollo, or an alien from another universe, or yes, even an attack helicopter, we need to accept them and be willing to step temporarily into their worldview and see things through their eyes. In an antirealist society, that's how universes are created. You don't have to do it all yourself, you just have to accept the people who were going to do it anyway instead of killing them or calling them crazy.
And we can practice techniques that increase our ability to choose our perceptions. When I was first exploring trans issues, I found it difficult to see many trans people as their preferred gender. Now, it's effortless. Now, I can see My partner as a shark while interacting with its body in meatspace. I'm able to hold that mental image and see it as the truth while My eyes are still showing evidence of humanity. Because I recognise that My eyes evolved to show Me fitness payoffs and paths to survival, not to show Me Truth.
And somehow this will change reality itself to make us more like how we identify?
Perception is a choice. If we want otherkin and trans people to be perceived how we identify by everyone, we need to get everyone to choose it, and everyone to develop the skills to do so. Which I think we can do, and the soulist movement intends to make happen. It's all in our heads, we can change it with the right psychological tools.
Alright, but is there proof this will actually work?
I proved it to Myself by doing it, but until we invent BCI mind's-eye imaging, you're going to have to trust Me on the specific angle. That's one of the hard parts of the soulist scientific method: when belief is an independent variable in the observations, replication requires a lot of work. I can introduce you to other people who've done the work, and hope that our consensus persuades you, but I can't show the result to you with your own eyes. Your eyes are a scientific instrument, like a spectrometer or a microscope. No scientific instrument is well-designed for observing everything. You can't watch bacteria multiply with a seismograph.
More generally, I can prove the principles are valid. I can point out to you that babies don't know how to see yet. They haven't learned it. It's all just colours to them, they can't sort those colours into shapes and objects, that has to be learned. If it can be learned one way, it can be learned a different way.
I can also use analogy. When you go to the movies and see Indiana Jones disarming a trap, that's not real. It's just a screen with moving lights on it. But you don't see it that way, in that particular moment. You're absorbed into the story. You suspended your disbelief. You bought into the cues and it was enough to transform your perception. You didn't need a 3D image, you didn't need to smell the musty dungeon, you didn't need to feel the wind as the swinging axe went past Indie's face. What you saw was enough to choose to buy in. It is possible to reduce that threshold, so less stimulus is required for your buy-in.
I see. Well the question I have then is, if you can "reality shift your word", why aren't you a dragon sitting on a bunch of gold with a harem of kobolds?
I think Jenna Moran can explain this one better than I can:
TL;DR: I am cursed with the knowledge that the world is wrong, and My peace will inevitably be disturbed by My own knowledge that I must return. It is what I owe the victims of the world. It isn't right to just leave everyone else to suffer and fuck off into the void. It isn't ethical. We have a duty to help others, and there is nothing I can do to convince Myself otherwise.
I do, however, get to enjoy being a goddess sitting in a temple with a harem of various otherkin (including a kobold, in fact!). It's just, I have multiversal responsibilities. People are trapped in the real world and need help.