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[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ABC voters are the worst to be.

The Liberals are just as bad as the Conservatives, and are just as responsible for the state of the country today. There has only ever been Liberals and Conservatives on a Federal level. The only exception is the one time we had an NDP opposition.

This is a direct result of "Anything but" politics.

Vote for what you believe in. Otherwise you are just a partisan tool used to maintain the status quo, and just as bad as who ever you choose to include with your "Anything but" rhetoric.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hey buddy, we don't live in a PR country. Voting ABC means getting whoever can win in our local riding win. In my riding, over the last few elections the NDP has finished with abysmal numbers compared to LPC and CPC. A voter going NDP instead of LPC in this riding is a boost to the CPC candidate. Conversely in ridings where NDP has better chance of winning, a voter going LPC gives a boost to the CPC candidate. If all voters were informed ABC voters we'd have more LPC and NDP MPs and fewer CPC ones, likely resulting in more supply-and-confidence governments. I'll go a step further. If Jagmeet had his head out of his ass, he'd have began being strategic about this and explicitly run candidates only where he's got a reasonable chance to win and where he's got a chance to flip a lib, and not run candidates where he doesn't. The latter giving more seats to the CPC. If the LPC falls behind or is just as diminished as the NDP, I'd say the same thing about them. They should only run where they can win, and not run where the NDP has good chances to win against the CPC. We saw this play out in the recent French election where the NFP and Macron's party withdrew candidates in order to win more seats altogether than NR.

I think you might be confusing what ABC means. ABC doesn't mean vote LPC if you don't want CPC to win.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results"

How effective has your "ABC" strategy been? What positive results can you point to?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Keeping Scheer and O'Toole from the PM office. Electing the current minority government that did some useful stuff. Keeping the CBC funded throughout this time. Having some climate policy.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How effective has your β€œABC” strategy been?

How has keeping Sheer and O'Toole out of office helped Canada and Canadians?

What "useful stuff" has passed through the house since 2021 that can be solely attributed to the current Minority Government?

What has the current Government done to ensure the CBC survives without it?

What climate policy specifically?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There are obvious answers to all of these questions. The fact you're asking makes me feel like this isn't a good faith discussion.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are obvious answers to all of these questions. The fact you’re asking tells me this isn’t a good faith discussion.

The fact you cannot answer these "obvious questions" demonstrates you are not here in good faith.

If you believe in your strategy back it up. Tell me specifically what your strategy has accomplished and why it would benefit me to use it.

Otherwise take your nonsense "ABC" rhetoric that I have heard ad nauseam every election cycle for 30 years elsewhere.