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[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 106 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Violence is not the answer" says country that won its place in the world through violence.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The USA would still be a colony of Britain if it wasn't for a violent revolution.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The USA would still be a native american land if millions of people had not been wiped out by Europeans

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The Native Americans would have been much better off if they had simply strangled Columbus and all his crew the moment they made landfall..

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I get the humor in what you say, but it's worth noting that the Native American civilizations were collapsing due to disease brought by earlier European visitors by the time Columbus set sail.

Granted, history probably would've been largely the same if Columbus' expeditions were unsuccessful, given the English, French, Dutch and Spanish appetites for empire building

[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's a saga that is about "what if Columbus arrived to America but never got back to Europe?". It's "the tale of the feathered serpent".

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That sounds super neat. When I google it I find these books amongst other more confused seeming results. Is that the right ones or is it something else?

[–] slingstone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, I found the same books, and they don't seem like the right one.

[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's "chronicles", not "tales", sorry. By Edgardo Civallero.

[–] slingstone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can't find an English edition, unfortunately for me.

[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] slingstone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

No worries. Now I know it exists...maybe I can find a translation or translate it myself with Google if I can get a copy at all 🤣

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can say that about almost everywhere white explores showed up

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

And it's true!

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 week ago

No it wouldn’t

The historical record says that if violence isn’t working, you’re just not using enough of it.