Really though, the level of imperialism apologizing I've seen has been pretty humorous on this platform. Like people will say with a straight face that we need to support our client state Israel to secure our regional interests. It's the same song and dance from the concert of Europe giving guns to the corrupt African client kings so they can murder the other guy's corrupt African client kings. All for the noble civilizing influence of the state. But this time it'll turn out different. Just like it was different every other fucking time an empire ideologically justified it's imperialism. Because this one time is exceptional, unlike all the other instances of exceptionalism. Furthermore, I consider Carthage to need to be destroyed

[–] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Really though, the level of imperialism apologizing I’ve seen has been pretty humorous on this platform. Like people will say with a straight face that we need to support our client state Israel to secure our regional interests.

Is this being federated from some platform other than Lemmy? Because I have literally never seen someone support that position here.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 0 points 2 weeks ago

Likely you are understating how often that occurs as much as the person is overstating how much that occurs. You don't interact with those people and they, trying to argue against, constantly interact with them.

I've seen people absolutely take the side of "Israel must be protected, there is no other answer" and plenty of it on Lemmy and it comes from its users.

Don't diminish other people's experience when they share it, people are often honest about their perspective even if it might be wrong. Ignoring it does no help for either of you.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Ah, Cato the Elder. He had a good cheesecake recipe, but was otherwise a complete jackass.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well it does work until it doesn't and the high imperialists get out of it can be quite high. A chunk of the oligarchic boomers feel like they have have everything they ever could have wanted even if their younger counterparts are starting to get greedy for more like addicts they are. And now we have fights between the rulers that want it to stay exactly as is and those that want more battling it out while we get nothing for those of us below that want better.

Lessons are learned and forgotten constantly in this world. The next empire along will also justify its existing as a good until it no longer can.

Let's see what happens when Carthage falls and weapons are handed out asking the meek to pick sides to groups promising to own them better. I doubt that it will be a lesson we learn and pushed off to be learned again later.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

It works until they start believing their own propaganda, which America did long ago. Using flimsy justifications to steal things from people will enrich you. Driving your empire because you must continuously validate those justifications will destroy you.