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Please stop with the intra-class hate, it’s just a bad look and makes someone using such labels look like an envious have-not.
You risk alienating white collar or high-income working class with these slogans, who have a lot of political power.
The problem is compounded by the fact that most people have a misconception about their class status, and don’t realize that we’re all working class.
Your doctors, lawyers, engineers, and even some politicians are working class, but don’t want to admit it, or don’t understand how class works.
Edit inter vs intra is a sob
The working class includes those who earn their living through wage-paying (hourly) jobs, typically involving manual labor or service work without poatsecondary education requirements. They tend to have modest property ownership, and make close to minimum wage with limited benefits. Working-class jobs are predominantly in the service sector, including retail sales, clerical work, food industry positions, and manual labor.
Which definition of working class are you using that includes doctors, lawyers and engineers?
I had a salaried position working as a cashier at a fucking gas station making 20k a year. Salaried vs hourly is the not the great class war dividing line. Also, public school teachers are salaried, and I'll be damned if I'm giving over the teachers to the guillotine.
Its a general definition of the phrase. There will always be exceptions. There is still no evidence that anyone considers doctors, engineers, lawyers etc to be part of the working class.
They are generally considered to be part of the professional class. More have become beholden to corporate structures as America descends further into late stage capitalism, but they are still not generally considered part of the working class.
Most Amazon / Walmart workers, Uber drivers, fast food workers etc. would likely scoff at the idea of considering those professions to be working class as they are.
Yeah, not exactly. In Marxist philosophy there are only two classes, the owning class and the working class. If you don't own the productive means of society then you're working class. In reality, though, the vast majority of (at least American) people probably subscribe to a three class model, lower, middle, upper, without any understanding of political philosophy or Marxist theory, in which case doctors and lawyers would be middle-to-upper-middle class. Tech billionaires and national politicians would generally be upper class
Ah that explains the response. I was using the modern American definition. Genuinely appreciate the clarification
Doctors are a part of the working class, like all trade labor. They are always included in the definition of working class.