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[โ€“] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The problem (at least during the first two seasons, after which I gave up) is that the show bends over backward to make her right in the end.

[โ€“] Stamets@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

This again is one of those complaints thats constantly parroted but just isn't rooted in the reality of the show. It's not factually accurate by even the largest stretch of the imagination.

  1. The mutiny at the start in the first episode. She is proven immediately false and that her actions of firing first would have caused a war with all the Klingons warping in just to see Starfleet fire first.

  2. She (along with Lorca and a few others) make the mistake of trusting Ash Tyler. Something that isn't fully shared. Saru has apprehensions until the divide has been made and even then is cautious.

  3. She keeps trying to keep to Federation Ideals while in the Mirror Universe and is proven repeatedly wrong that they don't apply. She might be able to apply them to herself but no one else from that world and it ends up with her nearly broken from it.

  4. She spends most of the episodes she's with Spock just outright ignoring him and going on her own path of what she thinks is right. During the Talos IV episode Spock even in a state of catastrophic mental instability is even annoyed by her arrogance at thinking she's right when she's not. Episode also shows her basically arguing with the Talosians and Spock having to say "Just fucking do it."

  5. She brings Georgiou back from the Terran Universe and in doing so a planet is almost rendered uninhabitable.

  6. She refuses to kill Ariam, insisting that she can save her anyway. She ignores orders and in doing so almost allows Control to complete its mission and kill Burnham and everyone else on board. If it wasn't for Nhan, all sentient life would be dead.

  7. Throughout Season 2 she is constantly misunderestimating Control and how they can get rid of it. She's often just as onboard with everyone elses wrong notions as she is wrong on her own. She often goes along with the ideas of how to trap it or stop the sphere but is consistently proven incorrect.

  8. As mentioned previously, she constantly shoulders all burdens and pushes through them like they are her own. She is proven incorrect there repeatedly too.

And those are just the ones I can think of off hand from the first two seasons. If I actually looked back at episode synopsis and jogged memory I'd find far, far more. A significant portion of her character is constantly being wrong and learning from those mistakes.

You can not like the show all you want. Not trying to convince anyone to like the show. I'm just tired of seeing complaints that just aren't based in what the show does or what happens in it.