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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Both Picard and Discovery were season long plots without episodic filler episodes to shake things up which made it painfully obvious that their overarching plotlines were terrible. Add some poorly done melodramatic scenes about how the leads are the most important people ever without showing why (and in a lot of cases showing the opposite) and we have two series that were just a slog to watch up to the point that I stopped.

Both sounded good on paper. Both had great casts. Both seemed to suffer from terrible writing and direction.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The final season of PIC was fun, and the second one had some good moments, mostly with Q. But that first season was still being written as they were filming and the second season had part of its budget appropriated for the third season and it shows in both.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

But that first season was still being written as they were filming

Really? That explains a lot.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

without episodic filler episodes to shake things up which made it painfully obvious that their overarching plotlines were terrible

The other series are episode-based with some random simple overarching plotlines thrown at them so they don't feel repetitive. Yes, those plotlines can't sustain a series, but that was never the goal.

I can't talk about Picard, but Discovery has a series of really interesting ideas that were completely destroyed by the overwhelmingly bad details. The plots are not exactly terrible, they have some more complex issues, and the insistence on emotional solutions to galaxy-wide physical problems is a recurring issue there (to the point that in season 4, where a "My Little Pony" plotline makes sense, it feels empty and repetitive).

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

I can’t talk about Picard, but Discovery has a series of really interesting ideas that were completely destroyed by the overwhelmingly bad details.

This is it. Both series had season plots that would have made for generally decent two-parters back in the '90s.