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I literally see voters saying the Democrats were too left leaning, jfc.
With parties like this, painful collapse is the only way to avoid multigenerational destitution.
There is no saving the United States as a framework. It is far too compromised, with too many methods installed to keep the people willfully ignorant and infighting as the owners suck their life forces dry for profit.
We can limp along and pretend that isn't the case, but climate change, aka the reality that doesn't give a shit about our self-delusion and greed worship, will force that collapse sooner rather than later. Reality can't be bribed, deluded, disappeared, or discredited.
Enjoy living in delusion that a society can function in capitalist competition against itself, the ability to do so is coming to an end.
I think its important to ask the people saying that to name specific examples of HOW they were too left leaning. People just want to hurt someone now because they are hurt - it doesn't matter if they are punching left or right, if they perceive something as landing, it makes them feel better.
I am seeing Liberals online blaming minorities for not showing up when the reality is, across the board Dem voters didn't show up.
The most I've seen anyone able to manifest is that she wasn't an old white man, and instead, she was too radical, because she was black, indian, and a woman. I have seen milquetoast liberals saying this, black people saying this, indians saying this, and women saying this. I don't really know how true it is, and I guess I never will know because she really didn't run a good enough campaign for me to actually run any sort of postmortem analysis relative to someone else's real turnout, because she wasn't even a baseline democrat, she ran below the baseline in terms of promises. She campaigned with dick "killed a million people" cheney and his wife. I dunno. somehow I don't believe that it's because democrat voters are just super racist or sexist or whatever.
In hindsight, I think the big issue with her campaign was simply how little time they had. We should have done an actual fucking primary, or Biden should have bowed out sooner, or at bare minimum she should have simply been as inescapably in the headlines as humanly possible because apparently there's a contingent of dense enough motherfuckers out there that people were searching who was running on election day.
I dunno, I think it was mostly that they wanted joe to step down later on in order to justify not having a primary, and dispelling a populist candidate, like tim walz may have been, a populist candidate which goes against the interests of the donors, and could've still probably gone through with a ton of funding and a groundswell of support regardless (see: kamala getting 1 billion dollars), from the running. Then, they can run kamala by default, and it doesn't matter whether or not she really wins or loses, as she's still campaigning on basically the platform that the republicans of 2016 were running on. I dunno so much if the time was the problem, other countries have full elections in as much time, I think the real problem was the electoral calculus that runs everything the scenes, as it has always been, and I think a lot of people got their brain cooked by brat summer and coconut memes into believing this was somehow going to be any better than 2016.
Democrats deciding there is no point marketing themselves towards most of the country and only to specific counties in states they think they have done the math on for exactly the policies needed to get their votes is a strategy that needs to stop.
Thinking it's smart that they have "gamed" the election while still rolling in more donations than ever before is ridiculous.
Time is not the problem but message absolutely is.
I believe you could have shortened this to "America".
No one has ever gone bankrupt overestimating the racism and sexism of the American people.
Too many factors to say that was the cause, but we can't rule it out. Remember that Ruby Bridges is 8 years younger than Trump. We are so close to the time when the majority of Americans were openly, proudly, racist, the idea that a significant number of Americans are quietly racist is not far fetched in the least.
They'll usually blame one of those marginalized groups they claim you hate if you don't support them. Joe Scarborough blamed Democrats' support of trans rights. After months of being told that I needed to back the Democrats for the safety of LGBTQ+ community, it was amazing to see how quickly he threw them under the bus.
Nobody who calls themselves a Democrat or leftist or whatever label you want to apply to yourself other than “right wing dipshit” should EVER listen to anything Joe Scarborough has to say. He is a right wing grifter just like Ben Shapiro, he just happens to have the support of MSNBC or whatever network he is on now.
You understand that's Biden's favorite morning show host, right? I don't disagree with your assessment of him, but you might want to consider that his opinions may be much more aligned with the Democratic leadership than you think.
This is more an indictment of Biden than anything I said.
When I do I get nonsense about hope and change and how leftists didn't show up when they should have to prevent fascism.
Thats why Im blaming all the dem voters who didnt show for not showing
Stop blaming the voters. It's the same shit every damn time. The DNC failed America. After Clinton they should've learned, but they just do the same shit every time.
They double down every time they roll Clinton out like we care. What we need is a party that's fighting for us, not one that expects votes because the other guy sucks.
We all should be pissed at the lack of leadership that has enabled this outcome. Pointing fingers at each other solves zero issues. What'll happen is 3 years go by and Democrats roll out another neocon establishment pick and we'll just go oh well it's too late to fix anything. Things need to change now before the next cycle starts. We have a lot of work to do.
Exactly. Blaming others before recognizing your own shortcomings is a shitty strategy and it will only serve to alienate people who could otherwise be your champion if you didn’t attack them.
If only the consequences only applied to the people causing the issue. We're all in the blast radius. I hope I live long enough to see hope returning. So far it's just been a constant decline.
Could you elaborate on this? I'm confused as to what those voters mean. Polling suggests that actual left wing ideas (universal health cares, higher minimum wage, etc etc) enjoy broad popular support. For example, Missouri (a deeply red state) passed a higher minimum wage and paid sick leave by ballot measure. Are these voters unaware of what "left wing" means, or are they unaware of public opinion?
I've seen a couple of things in this direction as well. Joe Scarborough was complaining that the democrats are too woke, and that that's why they lost the election. He was clearly advocating for throwing trans people under the bus next cycle. I've also heard a liberal buddy of mine say that democrats are moving with the American public, i.e., their right wing policies are a reflection of what the American public wants.
Here on lemmy.world I see it more indirectly. The predominant sentiment is to blame the voters ("you didn't show up", "oh you just had to care about the genocide", "look what you've done"). This operates on the false assumption that if the party changes their position to be more left wing (pro-peace, pro-healthcare, whatever) to woo the lost voters, they'd lose even more votes because the American public is so right wing.
Where are you seeing it?
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I think they're making a distinction between policy issues and social issues. The policy issues are popular but the social issues not so much. I read that R's ran a huge ad buy with an anti-trans ad that was very effective in swinging lots of male voters over to them. That's one example of what they mean by the "woke" stuff. It scares conservatives and moderate dems--not the objective reality of the policies as much as messaging spin they put on it, designed to create fear and loathing. Like it or not, it's effective.
They tried tacking right and they not only lost percentages of their base every day, they lost the election by a landslide. Theres nothing to gain on the right. Thats just a way to stay irrelevant.