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[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I dont think that everyone gives the same weight to those peoples opinions. Some see Obama as a war criminal, mark Cuban is in the billionaire class and is against business regulation, taylor swift is also a billionaire, and Beyonce is a billionaire as well?

Bernie gave the same vote against tyranny stuff the democrats were saying. I dont recall him being excited about Kamala's policy, was he?

If the republicans are running on change, and the democrats are running on not changing, but most americans want things to change, it shouldnt be shocking which one wins.

The democrats could have offered up a better idea to change the country but they didnt. They tried to scold and patronize people into voting for them instead.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If the republicans are running on change, and the democrats are running on not changing, but most americans want things to change, it shouldnt be shocking which one wins.

Most Americans are in for a rude awakening if they think the change republicans are proposing are the same change they want. Or maybe they do want wrecked economy, dismantled healthcare, and internment camps for '''illegals'''. Who the fuck knows.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

well, hey, they're all american voters, right, and apparently we're all too moronic to understand the basic things at stake, so maybe that is what we deserve, right?

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, it they still don’t want the status quo, so they would not have been happy either way. The point is that the party proposing a change can scoop up votes of those wishing for change, which is most people.

Biden didn’t win on no change. He won on change from trumps presidency. Change wins. Proposals win. Stability is good, but if people don’t feel stability, like with runaway inflation, or a recent global pandemic, or a recent trump presidency, then saying things are stable and good is not a winner. They are not.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The point is that the party proposing a change can scoop up votes of those wishing for change, which is most people.

Shouldn't we blame voters for not looking at what change is being proposed?

Oh wait, many of them were being told she's worse than Trump, going to start the next world war, jail white men, or other such nonsense on social media or podcasts.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

All of that's true, but not how the general voting population works. We have to live in the world that exists, not the one where everyone is paying as much attention as they should.

Alternatively, this should be massive fucking sign that the general voting populace is so desperate for any change that they'd go for horrible changes rather than perpetuating the status quo.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is enough blame to go around. However, voters as a bloc is a more nebulous concept than a voter or party.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

People voting is an essential part of democracy. If people don't understand it, if they failed to understand what was at stake, or if they undertood it but still didn't vote against him then they're fucking morons.

We can talk about mistakes of DNC, Biden, Harris, Pelosi etc for all eternity but that doesn't change the fact that the American voters are morons.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

If the American voter is a moron, as you proposed, then is the smarter party the one that treats them like a moron, yet gets elected. Or the party that says they are not, treats them like an educated adult but loses elections to someone like Trump. Multiple times. While calling those that vote for him garbage. Well, garbage fought back and kicked them out. Now Trump will kick them while they are down but blame immigrants and the deep state.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

By that logic the scammers preying on the gullible are smarter than the people running homeless shelters and soup kitchen.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 points 15 hours ago

In a capitalism hellscaoe, you're not far off. However a soup kitchens purpose is to feed people. A scammers purpose is to scam.

A political partys purpose is to get their members elected and pass legislation together. An individual politician can have similar but different purposes, but the parties purpose is clear. In this case, unlike the soup kitchen, the Dems are failing in their purpose.