For Agitprop purposes, I’m asking comrades to help aggregate any and all effortpost responses, critiques, or general thoughts that you have seen or written pertaining to yesterday’s U.S. election that you think have standalone value for discussion either online or IRL.

I made a post for that purpose here, and ideally it can be used not only for general discussion, but as a reference for well thought out responses in discussions about the election to save all of us some brainpower.

No shitposts please, as we’d like to highlight some comrades’ actual effort in constructing responses or analysis, but humor is 100% welcome to help make your point!

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[–] MrPiss@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Supporting an arms embargo, for a lot of them, is like their 30th most important issue and it isn’t any level of meaningful support or interest. It's the equivalent of them saying they're okay with not having lettuce on their hamburger. It's inconsequential to them and their daily life and reality that people are being slaughtered in the middle east. What matters is their personal action of supporting the good guy versus the bad guy or getting the policies that they care about acted upon by politicians.

We (mostly the USAmeicans on this website) need to remember that we are the abnormal ones for having some of these positions and caring about them in the imperial core. The average person doesn't know what dollar hegemony or the Balfour declaration are and they don't care.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But it’s again, literally vibes of voting good guy, it doesn’t influence policies in any way in solid blue state, you can still vote whatever, free mushrooms ballot measures, and your local piggy for sheriff. Like in what way vibes are comparable to showing some harmless disagreement?

[–] MrPiss@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

It's like that clip from the show mythbusters: I reject your reality and substitute my own. They do think it matters in their reality.

A lot of people will not know about or understand the electoral college because it's a stupid institution and easy to forget. A lot of people will think they still need to vote because it is a civic duty to vote because a lot of Iraqis died so that we could get our freedoms back from Saddam Hussein. And a lot of people will see their vote as a moral action to show support for their side regardless.

They have a different reality and the motivations for their actions need to be understood on the terms of their reality and not ours. It's also beneficial to understand how their reality is formed but that's a different conversation. It's especially beneficial to understand their reality if you're having a real conversation and trying to convince someone and change their mind.