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I am a proud member of lemmy.ca (and lemmy.world) and let me tell you I have no idea what rammy.site is not the other one that was defederared from.
What I will tell you, as a left leaning person, is nothing of value is gained from crying wolf every time a person or people disagree with your beliefs even, and let me be perfectly clear even if your beliefs are the better ones.
Op. Step away from the keyboard and from Lemmy and get some fresh air.
This is so reductionist it's absurd.
No, he values free speech even if he doesn't agree with what is spoken.
Defederation is not censorship. The chuds over at remmy can continue to be chuds, and anyone interested in being a chud can go find them there. No reason for Lemmy.world to allow their garbage to spread over here.
It literally is...
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Like that's the whole point of defederating them..
What do you people think censorship is? ๐ ๐คฃ
What do you think censorship is?
If I run a website, do I have to show the content of other websites to my users? If I stop showing another website's content to my users, am I censoring that website? No, I'm just not platforming reactionary garbage.
It literally is not. The levenshtein distance is 9.
Even ignoring any literal aspects, it isnt semantically either, since one means being censored from expressing an opinion, the other means opting not to listen to the opinion expressed. Censorship is restricting the freedom of the speaker, defederation is the listener exercising their freedom.
"Yeah guys I'm totally left wing, but we should totally hear out these people who want to kill entire groups of people for being different! They totally have something to add to the conversation and aren't just here to spread hate and disinformation!"
Free speech is the right to speak, not the right to be heard by people who don't want to hear.
There is not, nor has there ever been a right of free speech on Lemmy. Lemmy is moderated. If you don't like the moderation of a particular instance or community, you can start your own. And then you'll find out that free speech absolutism results in utter chaos.
Being for the idea of free speech, where everyone can speak, is not the same as the right to free speech.
Personally I would prefer everything be available with one account and I could choose what I block. Sometimes I want to see what the other side is saying, and sometimes I want to block certain groups and never see them again. I want to be well informed of what the other side thinks and why they think it, even if I don't agree with it.
Well lucky for you that's not at all what the poster said! So it's unclear what you're soap boxing about!
You don't understand what Free Speech is, do you?
That's what is happening here. People on rammy are free to speak what they want, people over here are free not to listen. Freedom.
I think we can trust OP here.
I went to take a look and it was pretty terrible. Blatant racism, sexism, homophobia and far right extremist propaganda.
It looks like a concentration of posts from /b/ on 4chan without the child porn.
We shouldn't tolerate intolerance. I think it should be defederated.
Not disagreeing but OP and their vocal counterparts are clearly unhinged. Like does anyone else not see them behaving no different than what they're purporting to defederate from? I mean I was not calling anyone names. I was trying to take a level headed middle of the road approach and very clearly OP needs to step away from the keyboard because they are waaaay too wound up over this.
For me, this other Lemmy instance like you said probably needs to go but I'd argue the same thing about OP. They're opposite ends of a spectrum and equally unhealthy.
To be clear here. I'm referring to CapraObscura. Dude seriously has issues.
The OP of the post is powerfulTurtle. Who are you referring to?
Edit: Never mind. They replied to you comment.
Edit2: I see what you mean. They sound like they need to take a break from here and go outside like you said.
You clearly don't understand this situation at all if you think that this is about beliefs or that I'm a liar. Either that or you actually agree with those people over there (if so why don't you go join them then, nazis love to get new recruits).
The reason I made this post and many others on other instances is because these people on rammy are posting incredibly hostile transphobic content which is dangerous because it both causes emotional harm to people, but also can indirectly lead to physical harm (there is a proven link between transphobic propaganda and acts of violence towards people who are trans, look trans, "act trans", etc.). So this is not something to be taken lightly by any means.
Now the problem ultimately is solved because lemmy.world, lemmy.ca, and a few others have already defederated rammy.site for the issues I mentioned here and in my post. However it was important that I made this post to spread awareness of the issue so that action could be taken in a timely manner.
I get what you are saying but you have to understand where we are. Yes, hate can propagate online. Yes it's important to fight that.
I am a firm believer that isolating anyone in a bubble regardless of how good the intentions are is not a good thing.
You fight ignorance with knowledge. You fight hate with love.
If you're in a room with a Nazi leaving the room does not make them stop being a Nazi nor does it prevent them from continuing their beliefs.
That said, I completely understand the feeling of needing to defederate from instances like that.