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I really do feel like I'm taking crazy pills with libs this election. The last two they at least had a bloodless rationale to the "lesser of two evils" rhetoric.

But this is genocide, the canonical Worst Thing You Can DO! I know many just believe that it's not a genocide at all because Palestinian civilians are all Hamas and just subhuman or that the videos published by official IOF channels are all deepfaked by the hungry ghost of Nasrallah. But then just FUCKING SAY IT and then we can call you a genocide denier and we'll know where we stand!

What I can't get is that many do seem to agree it's a genocide and Kamala is complicit. But then they lesser evil by going "Well if we don't vote then Trump will do bad things to trans people here."

Like Fuck You! You scheming, gaslighting bloody handed monster!

Either this is just a disingenuous argument to get your team in power or to maintain liberal civility politics, in which case double Fuck You that you think people are abstract political tools.

Or, you actually believe this, and the freedom of an LGBT person here outweighs the lives of 2 million people, many LGBT, who happen to have had the extreme misfortune to be born 5 cm over the border and thus outside your ability to feel empathy.

In which case Triple Fuck You, because you are, somehow, more of a fascist than Trump. At least Trump is too incoherent to make a complete argument for fascist policy!

I'm going mad, I really am. How can people be streamed genocide live on CNN and just say "well, I guess we're ok with genocide now!" Is the US public even human?! Even the fucking Germans had the good sense to pretend to look guilty after they lost.

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[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm going mad, I really am. How can people be streamed genocide live on CNN and just say "well, I guess we're ok with genocide now!"

I have seen plenty of Americans (the more right-leaning ones, admittedly) who will say it’s a genocide but that if Gazans didn’t want to be genocided then they shouldn’t have attacked Israel on Oct 7.

Is the US public even human?!

No, not really. This is what 20+ years of dehumanization of Arab and Muslim people will do to your brain. But also, Americans really struggle with being able to accept reality outside of the geographical United States. They are so ill-informed and incurious about what happens around the world I genuinely do not trust any polls regarding things like the genocide in Gaza. When 90% of Americans don’t even know basic, objective facts about the situation what do their opinions actually mean?

This extreme ignorance does not, of course, prevent Americans from expressing their opinions about foreign matters and believing their own opinions to be inviolably correct.

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

if Gazans didn’t want to be genocided then they shouldn’t have attacked Israel on Oct 7.

I hear a lot of "But what did they expect?" from liberals. People really have learned nothing in the last 23 years.

[–] egg1918@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Say the same about about 9/11 and they'll lose their shit

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

To even suggest that my chickens could come home to roost is treasonous! frothingfash

[–] SoJB@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Apologies to derail, but I will forever love how Americans reaped one 9/11 and killed 6 million civilians as revenge while Americans do a 9/11 worth of motor vehicle fatalities and injuries to themselves every single week and nobody gives a shit.

And then the cute liberals call them “accidents” when the vast vast vast majority of collisions are completely preventable.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

There are still a 9/11's worth of deaths every month due to COVID, but apparently that's the cost of freedom.

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

No, not really. This is what 20+ years of dehumanization of Arab and Muslim people will do to your brain

It’s not just that tbh. There is something rotten to the core of the collective unconscious of a settler colony raised up thanks to its own foundational genocide; constructed by uncounted numbers of thinking, feeling, enslaved human beings; that has spent the last century going around the globe to round up every last person in the third world it can find and force them into the meatgrinder of global capitalism.

What could one little genocide mean to a people that have never reckoned or atoned for the fact that their own empire is built upon mountains of bones and oceans of blood?