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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sounds like it's not the honey it's the production system, so honey from wild bees would be vegan. Okay.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, because it comes from an animal. Honey can never be vegan.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Apparently there are conflicting standards.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honey is an animal product and so is avoided by vegans. Bees produce honey for themselves, not for humans. They are often harmed in the honey gathering process. There are plenty of ways to protect insect populations, support crop pollination, conserve the environment and sweeten our food without farming bees or buying honey, propolis, beeswax or royal jelly. To replace honey in your diet, try golden or maple syrup, date syrup, agave nectar or even dried fruits. For more information read our page on the honey industry. 

Source: https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/general-faqs

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's fine, but this organization isn't the same as saying "vegans" any more than the Catholic Church is the same as saying "Catholics". The church disapproves of birth control, extramarital sex and a lot of other things Catholics commonly do. I'm sure there are endless debates about whether individual vegans are vegan enough.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Using animal products is not vegan.

Edit:

The comparison doesn’t apply here as using honey goes against the very definition of veganism.

”Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

Source: https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Following the pope's dictums is the very definition of Catholicism. As a former Catholic myself, the comparison seems entirely apt. Clearly we disagree. Continuing to just say "No U!" seems like the kind of pointless waste of time that belongs on reddit.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Anyone who claims they’re vegan when they’re consuming honey is lying.