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China's increasing passport controls evoke Mao era. (www.voanews.com)
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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because of the language barrier, people typically needs years of preparation to leave the country.

English is being taught as early as Kindergarten in China. source

"English is a required subject in China, and most students are taught their first lesson in the third grade, while others even start during kindergarten. Most reputable jobs ask for proof of English proficiency. A college English test certificate is acceptable."

So I would imagine most folks considering this aren't starting from zero with English skills.

Imagine finding a H1B job with zero connection in the U.S. and subpar English, that is literally impossible.

While the USA is a place many aspire to emigrate to, its not nearly the only country in the world. Here's a slightly older statistic:

"This statistic shows the number of immigrants from China into Canada from 2007 to 2017. In 2017, Canada received approximately 30 thousand immigrants from China, over 3,000 people more than in the previous year."

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Not to mention, leaving China also means leaving everything they know behind, friends, family, way of life, and especially money, like the other post suggests.

Besides the money point, this is true of any emigration, yet millions do it from countries around the world. I'm in the USA, but if I saw the United States government revoking passports of its citizens arbitrarily I'd start considering emigrating myself. So far the only reason (besides actual crimes) is revocation for large sums of unpaid taxes, and even that list of people is pretty small.

In fact, confiscating public workers’ passport has been practiced for at least a decade; partly for control, partly for security. And that did not spark mass exodus, slightly expanding the program likely will not change much as well.

Citation needed. Are you saying the CCP has been revoking passports at this new scale and against the same targets for the same reasons for at least a decade?

[–] cocomutative_diagram@infosec.pub 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank you, many of your point is very valid, I might not have made every point in my original comments sufficiently clear.

So I would imagine most folks considering this aren't starting from zero with English skills.

As most language learner might know, professional fluency is far from "not zero". I have near perfect mark in English for my high school entrance exam in China.

Yet, I spent almost all of my three years of high school to learn English, to be accepted by a U.S. college. And I only started writing decent professional English couple years after I graduated.

I am certainly not the most talented language learner, but I believe achieve fluent professional English not a goal that can be easily achieved in a year, especially with a 9-5 job.

Besides the money point, this is true of any emigration, yet millions do it from countries around the world.

You are right, this is also why a large majority of person do not immigrate. I am certainly not suggesting people do not immigrate. I just think that there are many realistic barrier to immigration, to Chinese and to people from other countries as well.

Many people vowed to immigrate if Trump is elected in 2016, yet many failed to do so. I imagine the real barrier to immigration might play a role in these decisions.

Are you saying the CCP has been revoking passports at this new scale and against the same targets for the same reasons for at least a decade?

No, I am saying public worker needing to submit passport is not new. Here are some Chinese source:

I am not saying that they are not expanding the scale of the program.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

As most language learner might know, professional fluency is far from “not zero”. I have near perfect mark in English for my high school entrance exam in China.

我懂了. 我学习中文一年可是我的中文还没好.

No, I am saying public worker needing to submit passport is not new. Here are some Chinese source:

I am not saying that they are not expanding the scale of the program.

This is good information, thank you for sharing that. I also appreciate you bringing your personal experience to this conversation. You are living firsthand the topic, and brought that valuable perspective. 谢谢!