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[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 53 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Hopefully now a better future for Palestinians and Israelis is ahead.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 71 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

I'm not sure the Palestinians will view being ethnically cleansed slightly less vigorously as a brighter future.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 30 points 2 weeks ago

Who said anything about doing it slightly less? I haven't heard that from the Israelis.

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He was the mastermind behind the Oct. 7th attack. The world is a better place without him.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Nobody's arguing that. His death being good and the continued eradication of the Palestinian people by the IDF and Israeli state can coexist.

To be perfectly clear, since this is the internet and people can't seem to have two concepts in their minds at once: The genocide of the Palestinian people needs to stop.

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[–] IAmNotACat@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, but the masterminds behind levelling Gaza are still at large.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Bold assumption to claim it will get less intense.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I am probably out of the loop but how does one go about Identifying a Palestinian without shooting everyone?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Point your Tavor at them. If they run, they're Hamas. If they don't, they're well-disciplined Hamas.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Well I guess I am a Palestinian because if someone pointed a gun at me I would run.

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I think IDF also uses option B - explosives. Also very effective, since the only ones who get harmed by IDF weapons are Hamas, so everyone killed/harmed in the blast zone can safely be declared Hamas.

/s

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Not while Netanyahu remains in power, he has no incentive to end this.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

Neither does Israel in general, nor the US backing them.

[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Netanyahu is indeed a problematic figure who take these situations into his advantage, maybe another would be better to make peace.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

It’s the only way. The problem is that if he called an election tomorrow he would stand a good chance of winning it.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 weeks ago

How optimistic.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Hamas was created as a reaction to Israel oppressing Palestinians.

The resistance will continue until the oppressors stop oppressing them.

Sinwar was not a charismatic guy who brainwashed everyone into attacking Israel. Israel oppressed Palestinians into violent resistance.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

100%, everyone thinking Palestinians were duped by Sinwar into striking back at Israel has no knowledge of the history of Israel as a Settler-Colonial project.

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[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 29 points 2 weeks ago (25 children)

As an Irish person, you can't end terrorism with violence. You just create martyrs to a cause, a cause which looks more and more legitimate the more civilians suffer and die because of said violence. "Kill the rebels" every 20 years did nothing for peace on Ireland for 800 years.

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

the future that you speaking of called "west bank" where "Israeli occupier" put bounty on "indigenous Palestinian" homes for burning their cars or destroying their properties. Where the "Israeli occupier" open carry guns threatening or shooting "indigenous Palestinian" and if the "indigenous Palestinian" fight back in any form "since they don't have guns" they get into a military court, then prison, maybe without a charge, then get raped in prison, based on "Israeli sources"

Pretending this not a case of apartheid genocidal military force is stupid considering the overwhelming evidence that you can find reading a few news article or maybe 5 minutes in Wikipedia.

If you are bored maybe you can watch this episode of Anthony Bourdain "Palestine parts unknown" aired in 2013 and ask yourself if that the past and the current living condition what makes believe this will help in anyway!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_bVSRlaIjw

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Not really likely. With all these kids and the younger generation terrorised/traumatized by Israel, hopes for a lasting peace is dim. Imagine your home and loved ones being torn into pieces right in front of your eyes by Israel all because of a terrorist attack that you played no part in. Now multiply this by tens of thousands...They will go on to be members or leaders of whatever terrorist/resistance organization follows hamas. It's an endless cycle where only people on the very top take advantage off.

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably not the tens of thousands of murdered Palestinians. Homeless, without any future.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

Nope, it will only intensify. Yahya Sinwar wasn't some evil mastermind manipulating and controlling the Palestinian people, they have been fighting an existential war against a genocidal entity that has been exterminating them for nearly a century. You can't get a ceasefire by killing someone beloved by the Palestinian people.

You can hate Sinwar if you want and celebrate if you wish, but the Palestinian people are not celebrating right now, they are mourning. Historically, deaths of Hamas leaders have only hurt ceasefire talks.

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Edit: I apologize for my cynicism, but I struggle to be hopeful about the prospects of Israel making peace with its surroundings nations and occupied territories.