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[–] FungiDebord@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

love your posts/POV, but disagree strongly.

The Dems are not becoming/ cannot become Republicans. if fusionist republican orthodoxy was sufficient to win, the GOP would still be doing it; Paul Ryan would be in his second term as president. it's not, you need some popular juice, because only appealing to the donors is not sufficient. and yet, the Trumpist, pseduo-populist GOP still promises corporate/capital gains tax cuts; it will still be for exporting war and imperialism and deregulation of industry and markets, and there's no way it loses fully the donor class, which itself has different interests and constituents.

the current harris attempt at triangulation only works, if it actually does, because Trump has unique weaknesses -- attempting to foment a constitutional crisis, instead of peacefully transferring power, and pissing off, in a personal way, prior GOP powerbases. harris can attempt to appeal to the Never Trumpers to squeak over this electoral line, but that won't be a viable long-term strategy: the WSJ readers will uniformly return to the GOP.

if anyone is cooked, its these waffling dems. the Obama coalition is collapsing in real time: the demographic inevitability/ ascendency thesis is no more, as the dems are hemorrhaging support from non-whites. woke-capitalist/imperialist rhetoric will not be enough after Trump: if the dems can't provide material support to the non-college educated, many will be drawn to the inclusive, non-PMC-inflected cultural posture of the Trumpists.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You’re spot-on. The republicans are no stranger to factions and periods of weakness. They still manage to come back every time. The current state they’re in is nowhere near as dire as it was during the Great Depression era when articles were being made about their “inevitable” death.

This current period is closer to the Gilded Age when Democrats had support from big business and the added benefit of European immigrants largely favoring them. The Republican Party had many factions with a lot of members jumping to the very business-friendly Grover Cleveland.

People need to look harder at the Republican Party history to understand why they’ve been able to pull back after so many people over the years have prematurely declared them “dead.”