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[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Seems like it's an outdated opinion, or a pro-ICE car one. Fossil fuel is here to stay and a lot of car maker is slowing down the electric car adaptation and goes into hybrid instead. EV will not save the car industry unless countries ban ICE car, which might be a few decades away globally from actually materialise. There's still infrastructure lacking for people to charge their car, there's still battery fire for them to worry about, and there's still range anxiety.

And despite all that, people who decided to purchase an EV 5 or so years ago does help to push the thing to wider market, and that's a good thing. Of course it's better if people swap to multimodal commuting, but right now a lot of places doesn't have that privilege.

In general, EV alone isn't gonna save the planet, there's shit tons of thing to do before we move toward that goal, and EV is part of that thing.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fossil fuel is here to stay

Um, as a nonrenewable resource, I think we can disagree.

We will run out, and sooner than most people think.

The problem we should be trying to solve is how can we still manufacture things, without fossil fuels?

All the green technology today still depends on fossil fuels in their manufacturing. If we can't figure out alternatives, and fast, it won't matter what kind of vehicle you use. Even bikes will be obsolete if you can't make tires or lubricant.

[–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is nonsense. We find oil faster than we use it most years, proven reserves have been an upward trend basically forever. If we completely stopped looking for oil we still have about 50 years left at the current rate and we have bigger problems if we haven't slowed consumption in 50 years.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I didn't say that we'll run out in our lifetime, but we will run out. It's a finite resource.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

85% of crude oil is turned into refined fuels, to be burnt, for energy. If we simply go rid of that we would be drastically increasing the supply for non fuel needs. This will both be much better for the environment, and give us a much bigger buffer to create effective alternatives to things like oil based plastics, lubricants, and material processing components.

[–] Baylahoo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

While I completely agree with you, consumers are slowly moving that way, regulations are slowly moving that way, and costs of fuel will eventually move that way quicker and quicker. Either the car industry listens because people will jump ship to the brands that embrace it or go to the potentially more sustainable and environmentally friendly public transportation. At this point it's a smart competitive decision to start building the R&D, manufacturing, and supply chains for widespread EVs. You don't want to be on the back foot when it does become necessity.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, there is transition but the transition has been slowing down due to lack of demand. People prefer hybrid/plugin than full electric. If the pain point hasn't been solved, we wouldn't see too much of a transition in this decade.