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A New US Plant Will Use Captured CO2 to Make Millions of Gallons of Jet Fuel::Replacing half of a plane’s regular fuel with CO2-derived fuel can result in 90 percent fewer lifecycle emissions.

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[–] Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Carbon capture technology is fundamentally flawed and is used by corps for greenwash

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You mean carbon credits right? This sounds like legit tech. Do you have info on why it's flawed? I'd love to read up on it.

[–] PeachMan@lemmy.one 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

There are different ways to do it, some decent, some bullshit. And it's only useful if it's powered by renewable energy like wind/solar. But it's largely unregulated, so a lot of corps grossly overestimate the amount of carbon they're capturing. Or just flat out lie.

The main problem is that it's presented as some sort of big solution, when it's more like putting a SpongeBob band-aid on a gunshot wound. Corps use it to justify continuing to fuck the atmosphere with things like....jet fuel, for example.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agree mostly. This is an important technology and realistically in the capitalist hellscape we live in, carbon capture is going to need to be part of it. But yes this has the potential problem of letting us ignore the problem because we can just pull CO2 out of the air.

[–] PeachMan@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Right, the solution is to DRASTICALLY reduce our carbon output AND ALSO do carbon capture stuff. But without the former, the latter isn't nearly enough to do anything significant. We're currently producing A LOT more carbon than we could ever capture, even with optimistic estimates. Reduction is the most important action here.

[–] youhavemykeys 1 points 1 year ago

i love the hate for corporations because they are indeed evil and corrupt and terrible but the fact our society uses jet fuel isn't just because some evil corp twiddled his mustache, 90% of Americans have taken a flight in their life - they can't all be a corporation! If i could snap my finger and all the corporations would be replaced by community run organisations (and yes i did it just in case it works) then people would still want and need to travel.

and yes i know you're going to say trains but the look at the absolute shitshow of the UK's HS2 which was made almost impossible by NIMBYS and ironically environmental protestors - the country that invented trains can't even make a trainline any more because eco warriors padlock themselves to the diggers to save their favourite tree and every middle class property owner goes even wilder at the prospect of their lovely landscape being divided by a uncrossable river of loud steel which will negatively affect local house prices... The amount of lorries it would have taken off the M1 by now if it had been a simple process of building it is huge and it'd have provided a far better option than a MAN>LCY flight.

corporations exist because we give them money for goods and services we desire and require, it's as simple as that - all this 'big companies produce all the carbon' only makes sense if you're not relying on those companies for everything in your life - coca-cola wouldn't exist as a company if everyone just drank water, just like blockbuster doesn't exist as a company because people stopped renting DVDs.

anyway that's not really important if we manage to get to the point where flying does not release harmful emissions into the atmosphere because then there's absolutely no question at all flying is a great and efficient solution for travel and totally beats trains in ecological terms - having two small areas as airports require orders of magnitude less infrastructure than making a railway and maintaining it, would you rather have some electric / hydrogen planes flying quietly over the national parks or have them divided into slices with endless tunnels and bridges to facilitate a train network? I love trains, but i love cakes too even though i know they're bad for me as they unbalance my diet. Cakes are great as a bit of a treat and in situations where extra calories and sugars are needed to make up for a deficit due to strenuous activity but they're not an every day thing, trains are probably bit more like bread and cheese - it's great as part of a well balanced diet, commuter trains and medium distance routes through easy terrane they're like a cheese sandwich for lunch, but you can't just eat bread and cheese for every meal.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

So it's like carbon credits....with more steps and bullshit lol great

[–] youhavemykeys 1 points 1 year ago

that's objectively false nonsense pushed by anti-technology crazies, carbon capture is without a doubt one of the most important technologies in defeating human caused climate change especially in systems utilizing things like biochar where excess biomass (non-edible parts of crops, food and container waste, coppiced trees, maintained space and etc) it can be incredibly effective - you collect up all the biomass which would have returned it's carbon, methane, etc to the atmosphere then use that to generate power or create fuels and materials while capturing 90% of the carbon (most technologies work at much higher rates than this) this is then used for industry in one of two ways - replacing carbon that would other wise be extracted from where it's stored in minerals (e,g, making jet fuel which then returns the carbon to the atmosphere) or in creating materials which is essentially the same as putting it back in the rocks where it'll stay for a long time. It can also be buried in old mineshafts, oil voids, and other handy spots thus removing it from the carbon cycle entirely and reducing the total amount of atmospheric co2 (the main thing causing all these climate issues)

we of course also need to switch to more efficient ways of operating society and providing people with the things they need to live good fulfilling lives but nothing is a one size fits all total solution to everything nor should we ever expect to find anything like that.