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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 1 September 2024 (awful.systems)
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[–] self@awful.systems 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

it’s remarkable that the post spends so many paragraphs priming the reader into thinking Tim’s an irreplaceable part of the Python community and should never have been suspended, and now at least two people have gotten to that exact sentence and gone “no actually fuck Tim”

if memory serves, it gets much more mask off from there, but I remember I didn’t finish the entire thing before I closed the tab and started blocking Tim’s fans

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

this guy was IIRC also furiously defending the totally not nazis at Nix

still this post is a glorious example of a defense brief that would work even better for the prosecution

i did stumble over a worse one just now: a guy banned from the Mesa community for being a Nazi defends himself by saying he only said that:

if I run a discord server around cultivating tomatoes, I should not exclude people based on their political beliefs, unless they use my discord server to spread those views. which means even if they are literally adolf hitler, I shouldn't care, as long as they don't post about gassing people on my server

that is inclusivity

and writing a prosecution brief about himself in his defense

[–] self@awful.systems 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, you unfortunately are seeing right. A person (name of whom I will censor even though you can find their name easily by going to the issue page) went onto the Hyprland bug tracker, to call me, a Nazi.

ah, this is the part of the Wayland community that’s now notorious for being a Nazi bar, specifically because their discord and every other community space did in fact have a gigantic number of nazis (some of whom were moderators) “joking” about, among other things, gassing people

e: (and also just a fuckton of outright bigotry, see Drew’s posts on this for a sample of what I mean)

here’s Drew Devault’s take on that blog post and also his first blog post that covered the ways in which Hyprland is a Nazi bar

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Imagine being so bad Drew Devault of all people rightly calls you out on your toxic behavior.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To be fair Drew has tried to be a better person lately.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 6 points 3 months ago

Good on him. All that drama can't be healthy in the long run.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

a guy banned from the Mesa community for being a Nazi

lol I learned about this the other day when marcan posted about it, and I had a good giggle

iirc: poor l'il fashbaby has some kind of problems with his thing, but he can't turn anywhere because the linux graphics community is kinda small and enough people went "lol get fucked" that it effectively closed doors everywhere

the world's smallest violin, etc etc

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 7 points 3 months ago

wayland, right, but it's for urbit

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 10 points 3 months ago

Actually reading the python discussion boards, what's striking is the immense volume of chatter produced by Tim, always in couched in:

  • "Hypothetically"
  • "Everyone tells me they are terrified of inclusivity, you wouldn't know because they are terrified of admitting it to YOU"
  • "I'm not saying that you are an awful person 😉" (YMMV: But I find his use of the winking face emoji truly egregious)
  • "Hey I'm liberal like you, let me explain everything wrong with it"
  • "Hey we were inclusive before any of this PC bullshit" proceeds to use unpleasant descriptors of marginalized individuals, and how very welcome they were, despite what he seems to see as "shortcomings"

In his heart he must understand how bad he his, or he wouldn't couch his discourse in so much bad faith, and he wouldn't make so much of a stink out of making removing Python Fellow status more easy to remove.