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You’ve got to let the police do their jobs, number one. Number two, you have to do a policy of stop and frisk. When you see a guy coming down the street and you can — the police know every one of them. They know their middle name. They know where they live. They know every one of them, the local police, and they’re great.

You got to let them do their job, stop and frisk, and take their gun away. You’ve got to do it. If somebody has because they have all these guns — you know, it’s very interesting, the toughest gun law, the toughest, by far, in the whole United States is in Chicago, and yet it’s the most — it’s —

Let all your Republican 2Aer friends and family know.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 100 points 2 months ago (5 children)

You might be able to chip a few away by calling him a "gun grabber." They probably won't vote for Harris, but they won't vote for Trump either. They might just sit it out.

Chip a few away here and a few away there... that might be all that's needed.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Gun Grabbin' Donnie

That's G... r... a... b... b... i... n... Apostrophe

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

When you’re a cop they let you do it.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Grab 'em by the gun. You can do anything.

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Juvyn00b@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Give them the ol' Glock twist!

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fascists don't win on facts and logic, they win on affect.

He says one thing about guns, but means something about hurting minorities. His electorate only cares about the second part. Literally anything you could argue about the first part is worse than useless, because through sheer power of denial they'll revert to affect on this well-practiced talking point (”Trump love guns, Trump hate [insert slur here], Trump just like me"). You can't win on this battlefield, no matter how objectively and obviously right you are.

That's why "Trump is weird" is so unbelievably more effective than "Trump is a rapist", "Trump is a fascist", "Trump is a criminal" or "Trump is a traitor". Pointing out his weirdness directly undermines his affect. "We're not going back" calls back to the constant feeling of dread of his presidency. Ironically when dealing with humans, but especially when dealing with fascists, affect and core values are more important and less malleable than facts.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I literally just learned the word affect like... 4 hours ago, what the fuck?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That's the Baader Meinhof Phenomenon (AKA the Frequency Illusion) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

This is something I learned about decades ago, but never really experienced. Now I see it all the time and it's fucking weird. The simulation is breaking down

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

If we in a simulation, I hope that shit breaks all the way down.

They clearly forgot to install the Livin' Large and Makin' Magic expansions. Can we get an afterlife and some damn wizards up in here?

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

They probably won't vote for Harris, but they won't vote for Trump either.

This is actually possible. There's a "don't tread on me" type that has been using their yard as a political billboard for years and i just recently noticed that while they're still anti- our current Democrat governer, they took down their pro-Trump stuff as well. Now there's some sign about Jill Stein that's up but seems a lot less flamboyant.

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Gun Grabber Don? You mean the only 21st century American president to sign an unconstitutional gun ban?

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I think we all agree on the middle path. Keep posting bc every single voter counts. And share relevant expectations with the community who may not be 100% knowledgeable of the nuance.