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Uyghur "Genocide" is so hardwired to people's brains, how do any of y'all try convince others that they're believing propaganda? (hexbear.net)
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It's really frustrating, I was talking to someone about how successful China has been in de-radicalization of reactionaries. But they responded to this by saying they're only successful because, and I quote "put them all in concentration camps and killed them"

Has anyone here been successful in deprogramming people about this topic? If so any good sources I can use to dissuade them? I tried telling them that the UN report, if you read it, just says that there's concerns about abuse by internment offcials, and there's no evidence of genocide. But when I say this they just dismiss it as if the UN is controlled by the PRC. It's like a religion to liberals to believe anything bad about China and can get really frustrating.

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

The fact that Islamic countries haven’t spoken out could well be that they are also known for religious persecution. Turkey spoke out against China's treatment of Muslims in 2009 and got hit for it. To this day, China reminds them not to mention it. There’s a lot of money moving there plus the belts and roads initiative.

Is this really the simplest explanation, that every single Muslim-majority country is completely bought off and/or just doesn't mind "religious persecution" in the abstract, even if it's fellow Sunni Muslims being persecuted?

Even Saudi Arabia, a country that is Sunni by vast majority and also financial very deeply tied to the US -- involving arguably one of the single most significant financial ties in the world, i.e. the petrodollar -- has come to China's defense on this subject.

Surely you see how, with a complete lack of specific evidence, what you're saying is no better than a crass conspiracy theory, right? Frankly speaking, it's a racist one at that, assuming all of these countries and peoples, because they are "also known for religious persecution [of other groups!]" can be causally bought off and thereby shrug off an atrocity of profound proportions as a country's worth of Muslims get eradicated.

or take advice from here and use straw man arguments, whataboutisms, and generally attack anyone that doesn’t 100% line up with your opinion

I, too, wish they held their temper slightly, but it makes no sense to cry about opinions when it comes to accusing a country of genocide, the gravest and most morally disgusting crime any nation has ever committed.

It's also a crime that, when it is actually happening, has produced a wealth of evidence, evidence that we do not have in China's case.