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Any luck getting the ask historian mods to switch over to lemmy. That I think would tip the scale permanently
They did make a post about it, Lemmy is no where near large enough for them to be interested. Their mission is to showcase history on a large public platform.
They said they are not happy with how the company has acted, but it would take a much bigger issue to get them to consider moving.
Wonder what the thing that would be tipping point for them would look like.
Either way - shame. I really enjoyed that sub.
It would take times, the more informative content we have (even the what's your top 5 thing posts) that common people use search engine to look up for and find, the more we will get exposure, just like how reddit find its audience. Imo, as long as lemmy doesn't get into front page of search engine, I'm afraid the number of lemmyverse users that migrate from reddit won't sharply increase unless reddit does more fuckups. This might also mean, there will be inevitably one or a select few big lemmy instances that will get more exposure.
In any case, it's not necessarily a bad thing; Lemmy (and kbin) needs a lot of improvement to be accessible to most people. Let people that are tech-savvy and those who are passionate in open-source projects improve it first. Otherwise, others will try and find lemmy too complicated to use as it is right now and not interested in using it later down the road.
Just my 0.02
I also don't think Lemmy is ready for everyone, especially in terms of moderation. The tools are very limited and hard to access. I have to navigate to each post to deal with it, and the only 3 options (right next to one another) are 'remove post', 'ban from community' and 'appoint as mod'.
There's also no modmail or automod tools, which are really important as a community gets large.
It's fine for now with the communities I'm moderating, but I'd understand if some Reddit communities don't feel ready
Honest question. Wouldn't them coming over here be good and make it larger?
I mean yeah, it would be good, and maybe make it larger, but reddit has 100 million MAU and we have less than 1% of that. They're not wrong that moving would massively impact their reach. I don't think 99+ million people will move for AskHistorians.
Although I also doubt that it will happen until Lemmy gets some good moderation tools first. In its current state, it wouldn't quite fit what they need to do with the sub, especially with the heavy moderation that they would need to do.
What tools are needed and missing?
Any type of automatic moderation. It is a godsend for managing a community as you don't have to worry about content with or breaking those roles as the bot(s) check it for you.
What's special about those mods?
They moderate rigorously.
Participating in one of their threads is like attending a university course.
Most people don’t have the context to actually participate in the discussions, but the quality is on a completely different level.
The answers on that subreddit are probably the highest quality answers on all of Reddit.
The mods are very strict and keep the quality exceptionally high
If your post isn't atleast 5000 words, it will be deleted.
Wild. I don't find extremely moderated subs to be an example of what I want to see here. I felt just as bad going to subs like that as I did going to subs where the mods don't do anything to control the users. IMO, (and I realize it's very much MY OWN opinion), is that discussion shouldn't ever be purged unless it's illegal or hate speech.
What about spam? Stuff completely unrelated to the community? Porn?
Certain heavily moderated subs made sense, like ask historians, where the purpose of the sub was to have actually knowledgeable responses instead of internet ass-pulling.
Honestly in some cases, it might be preferable to the heavy moderation I've seen. I can close a spam post or porn post in a second, but it takes a bit more work to restore an entire thread of hundreds of comments to see the discussion because some mod didn't like it.
Given how ban happy subreddit mods can be, I don't know that that's the best idea in the world.