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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 202 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office

really tired of hearing about these shitbags...

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 62 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

So are we in the rest of the AZ counties.

And this is after they got rid of the Fuckstick Arpaio back in 2017 and have at least had Democratic Sheriff's since. Although, to be fair to him, Skinner was just elected this year. Not an excuse, but his predecessor was there since 2017. And was Sheriff at the time this happened.

[–] lambchop@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

FYI Sheriff Skinner is a DINO. There is a rule that says an appointed sheriff has to be the same party as the person they are replacing. Skinner changed parties so he would be eligible.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's only if they're filling in the rest of the term. I don't know if that's what happened but I did want to clarify that Arizona doesn't tie voter's hands. Only the executive.

[–] lambchop@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It is. Skinner was appointed last February, and changed his party affiliation to Dem the day after his predecessor sheriff Penzone said he would quit.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

have at least had Democratic Sheriff’s since

As a Houston resident with a "democrat" at the mayoral level and in a number of police offices, I can't tell you how little this changes things. These people wear the (D) name badge to win the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" demographic, then run as far to the right as our fascist state government allows.

[–] DarkShaggy@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

At least they're....consistent?